“Barack Obama is one of the few men that we have seen who is a black man who has a very, very dark-skinned wife. She’s very dark skinned for normally what you see. And I wondered to myself, would he be electable if he had a white wife?” – Whoopi Goldberg confessed to having been woken up by this ‘strange thought’
There is this stereotype that once Black men become successful, they marry interracially as a sign that they have made it. Picture this: an influential, charming, attractive Black man with a Black woman in his arms. Now imagine the same man with a White woman in his arms. Does this change your perception of him? How and why?
In the video, Dr. France Twine wonders why it is perceived that a lot of Black men are marrying White women while in reality, the percentage of black man/white woman interracial relationships is totally on the lower side … unless the norm still is that they shouldn’t marry any? What do you think?
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Comment by lagbaja61 on 9 February 2009:
Obama is a very talented man and I wish him well, but here’s what he has to get you CLOSE to…if you wanna know just how far behind the European Union you are…we work 36 hours a week, have around 20-30 days a year paid holiday plus public holiday, 6 months sick leave on full pay, great labour laws so no hire and fire, free medical and dental care, freedom of movement across the European Union…that means we need no visa or green card to travel, work and live in any European Union country and have full access to their health, education and social security, which in countries like the UK,Germany, France and Scandinavia are the envy of the world. We get paid much more than you - even in this recession £1 is still $1.50, so the US is dirt cheap for us. We don’t have the inhumane death penalty. We have history, cultural diversity, languages, all within a 2-3 flight max. Oh yeah we also play proper football, not that crash helmet nonsense, and build the sleek performance cars you all prefer to the gas guzzling tin cans churned out in Detroit. American Dream? Ha! A myth! We’re living the European Dream thank you!
Comment by canadiangc on 9 February 2009:
“Whoopi Goldberg confessed to having been woken up by this ‘strange thought’
I guess that they have ignored the majority of succesful black males that are married to, get ready to be shocked.. black females!!!!
What I get out of the article is that unless your a public, high profile person, then you don’t count to the author.
Comment by cocohoneebee on 9 February 2009:
I notice that everyone refers to Obama as being the first black president. Obama is biracial, and to me, that’s an even bigger accomplishment than just being black. His wife is a beautiful black woman with class and dignity and smarts. Those whom Obama has chosen as his advisors and representatives also paint a picture of diversity and togetherness of all colors, backgrounds and expertise. Let’s stop putting so much focus on skin color and start focusing on coming together as the great nation we were destined to be and work at getting back on top where we belong.
Comment by Trinie on 9 February 2009:
I think people look for reasons why they don’t have a “man” in their lives…”All the good black men marry white women!”. Whatever….maybe all those women who complain about black men marrying white women should look at themselves and figure out why someone ain’t marrying them.
Comment by generic1977 on 9 February 2009:
1st of all barak is bi-racial, i’m pretty sure if his father was asian,i doubt people would lable him as oriental, let just for once view the man(or anyman)on the strength of his actions,rather than branding him already! might be weird in sayin this but i feel constantly labeling barak as the 1st black president is a racial remark in itself! suffice to say if he does a terrible job as his bush did, i’m almost certain that label might sway from the african american ballots sayin “oh he wasnt really black he was bi-racial, and the whites sayin well he was black., its a humans common trait judging a book by its cover! once again please judge a man by his actions and not by what he looks like! time wil tell, barrack ws asked wat breed of dog he’ll get for his daughters his reply was “possibly a mutt like me!” so please make it known he is a man who doesnt label himself to any group, he see’s himself as a man a human being with a gift and a responsibilty to do a very important job, so leave tht labeling of 1st black president out, i’m pretty sure the man himself is getting tired of it too!
Comment by minosa on 9 February 2009:
This is the most unintelligent post I have seen so far on this site. Starting with the statement ..a very very dark-skinned wife …and …she is very dark-skinned for normally what you see??????
Either the writer is not so observant to notice the several tones of skin color black people are blessed with or the writer is color blind.
I am from the Caribbean, have been in Africa and India, met people from Nepal,Sri Lanka and have seen aboriginals from Australia and believe me if you wish, Michelle Obama is NOT very very dark-skinned.
Secondly: is the writer saying that it is unusual for a black man to choose a woman darker of skin color than he is? If so, please take a trip to the Caribbean, will be a big eye opener, I hope….
Comment by Spinsterette on 9 February 2009:
It is so sad to see that even different shades of Black would be a conversation piece - I noticed African Americans refer to Obama
as Bi-racial and not Black -
how absurd when the same African Americans come to South Africa they shun the fact that there is a racial group called Coloureds not understanding the fact that Coloured people actually have their own culture. The term Bi-racial is being used in the same connotation as Coloured - neither accepted by Black or White and you call us uncivilised - how sad
Comment by Glock on 9 February 2009:
I am still amazed that this website attempts making something out of nothing. Speculating and speculating, and for what? We never will no what would happen if Obama’s wife was white because you know what? She’s not.
It’s not enough that Barack Obama has been elected as the first “black” president, now we have to speculate on some unknown in what appears to me as an attempt to insinuate that he wouldn’t have been elected if his wife was white!! Didn’t we just discuss this whole issue with the football coach?
Some people it seems, thrive on “looking” for racism at every possible corner. If they don’t see it, they’ll speculate on “what if’s”.
Comment by JUICYLU on 9 February 2009:
All this fuss about being mixed race. We are all decendants of slaves, and as a result many of us have lost our 100% africa genes. All over the Caribbean there are mixed raced people. I have European and Chinese blood, and within my family we are all different shades of brown: but we consider ourselves to be black. Obama married the woman he fell in love with - he did not choose her because she is “black”, but because she is a Black woman. Maybe he’s not attracted to white women.
Comment by Losha on 9 February 2009:
I think we have to look at the historical concept of this whole article. First of all…in the United States and most other countries, the race of a child..genetically is determined by the father. I think there is only 1 other country that says the race of a child is determine by the mother and that may be China. So…according to the laws of these United States, Barack is black. However, even more so it is how a person identifies themself and I remember clearly in his famous 2004 keynote speech at the DNC…Barack introduced himself by stating this ” I am an afro-american”. Go to youtube and check this out for yourself. I worked tirelessly on the Barack Obama compaign as a volunteer and you can take it from me…Barry considers himself to be black…even though his family is a rainbow…which makes it all the better. He identifies with black people and the struggle(wanting US to do better and leave the excuses behind)…thus I think this is the reason he fell in love with Michelle…because she is the epitome of Black womanhood. Michelle is not a dark woman, but a beautiful brown…so I do agree that this article is pointless…but I do understand what they were trying to say…it just doesn’t fit to the first couple. In regards to the European union…as someone who has lived in Europe as a child and actually travel there…LETS NOT GET IT TWISTED!! THESE COUNTRIES HAVE THEIR OWN PROBLEMS AND NOTHING IS AS GOOD AS IT SEEMS. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT A LOT OF EUROPEAN COUNTRIES HAVE CASH FLOW PROBLEMS AND THE PRESIDENT OF FRANCE, PREMIER OF GERMANY AND OTHERS HAD AN EMERGENCY MEETING WHEN THE WORLD BANK WAS ABOUT TO COLLASPE. DO YOU NOT READ THE PAPERS…THIS HAPPEN ONLY A FEW MONTHS AGO. SO…..AS AMERICA GOES…SO DOES THE WHOLE FREAKING WORLD…SO YOU SHOULD WANT US TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN ALL OUR ENDEAVORS BECAUSE WE ALLOW YOU TO EXIST AND PROSPER WITH THAT OVER RATED EURO!!THIS IS GLOBAL ECONOMICS CLASS 101!! ALSO, IT KILLS ME WHEN EUROPEANS ACT LIKE THEY HAVE NO RACE PROBLEMS…PLEASE…DON’T LET ANYONE FOOL YOU…EVEN THOUGH I LOVE EUROPEAN MEN. BUT THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE. A LOT OF THIS HAS TO DO WITH CLASS AND NATIONALISM. ITALIANS TEND TO LOOK DOWN ON IMMIGRANTS SUCH AS AFRICANS AND EYGTIANS…THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED RACISM IS THE STATES..BUT THEY CALL IT SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN ITALY. HMMMMMMM..MAKE YOU WONDER ..RIGHT. BUT HEY..SUCH IS HUMAN NATURE
Comment by VA_SongBird on 9 February 2009:
I agree with Glock on this issue. This really is a non issue. Barack by his own admission is not really 100% black. Athough, Black Americans have drafted him as such. I know the “one drop black blood” theory. Nevertheless, Barack was birthed by a beautiful white mother and a Kenyan father.
I think it is time to just concede to the fact, people fall in love with others for a number of reasons. It really isn’t about color.
I’m personally in love with a wonderful man who is mixed German and Lebanese. I would have never thought in a million years that would even be possible. But I realized this man had everything I wanted in terms of character and other qualities which I considered important to me. Being black was not the criteria, and because of that, I believe I hit the jack pot this time.
Comment by rarestgold on 9 February 2009:
I’m sorry but the color of someones skin will always matter. Society is what it is. The color of our skin dark or light determines how others will treat us. This is the world we live in. Some won’t care and some will, a lot. The fact that President Obama has a beautiful, educated black woman on his arm gives reassurance to many that the black family is not lost - it gives us as African-Americans(oh yeah what was his theme) hope…
Comment by Reverie on 10 February 2009:
I want it to be a non-issue, however, there are many black people who would have been disappointed had Barack married a white woman, my mother and best friend’s mother included. I tried to argue that point with them from a Christian standpoint and from a view of common sense that people should be allowed to fall in love with whomever they choose but it was in vain. I definitely believe it can be a generational issue for the most part. Our parents, grandparents, and beyond lived in times of great racial divide. They fought for a black president so they want to be allowed to have their black president who, as a bonus ,is married to a beautiful, intelligent black woman. My mother is proud of that fact and I want to let her have this moment. Also, I do agree that Michelle is not a dark-skinned woman, a nice shade of brown, but not dark-skinned. Just putting my two cents in…Peace.
Comment by NOPLAYER on 10 February 2009:
It’s true, love is blind but most people can see.
rarestgold I agree skin color will always matter to some people. A person’s color is the first thing you see when you look at them and that’s normal.
It’s only when you start to believe in the preconceived notions about people with a certain skin color.
Most problems in IR dating have nothing to do with skin color but culture. When two people share similar views and values it’s not a problem but when those views start to clash, watch out.
A good friend of mine married an African woman and all was good until they married and moved in together. That’s when the cultural clashes started.
His wife is very traditional when it came to the roles between men and women and he is very flexible. His wife felt that men should make all major decisions in the home, while he liked to delegate certain things.
When it came to money it was a nightmare, he was a saver but she felt obligated to wire money home everytime one of her family members called with a sob story.
My friend didn’t understand that in her culture, you don’t just marry the person, you marry a family.
These two people shared the same skin color and still had problems.
My advice is to learn as much about that person’s culture as you can, spend alot of time around that persons family, closely observe how they enteract with their spouses and pay attention to anything that could display a RED FLAG!!!!
Had my friend taken his time and really courted this woman, instead of getting caught up in all of the dating and having a good time, he would have been able to make an informed decision based on the information he gathered prior to marrying this woman.
He loved her dearly but love can only take you so far, once you say I DO !
James
Comment by homesteader on 10 February 2009:
May God bless President Obama and family and Honor his First Ladie as the Future of the New Idea of Change . Ria , you need to look at what you say and find change in your own ideas . Who people marry is None of your Business / Please feel free to ask each of them , for your OKAY AND SEE WHAT THEY TELL YOU . We will be polite enough to say ” Get a life and go find your own so we can Judge your Choices ” Online Marriage the mail-order Brides of the 2 nd Millenium . Grow - up . It worked for Us ( 23 months Today and counting )
Comment by Glock on 10 February 2009:
I guess I’ve never heard the “once a black man’s made it he marries a white woman” thing. I see an awful lot of black men who in my humble opinion have not “made it” that are married to white women. How would you catagorize them?
When I talk to friends about Obama, we talk in terms of policy, constitutionality, liberal versus conservative stances etc. We do not speak in terms of race. To us, he’s just another democrat president.
Comment by homesteader on 10 February 2009:
Ever wonder why you are still Single at a sight with Many Successful Stories ? Could it be that you are a Player or Maybe broke the Heart of the one who was meant for you . - People - are all different / yet all the same . The Future holds Marvelously Magnificent Splendid Beneficially Bright Sunny days for Us all , Look to the East this Morning - We see a Bountiful Sunrise . Love from the First bI-RACIAL , elected Mayor’s Family of ” Creekmore Village , Texas Texas
Comment by Glock on 10 February 2009:
Huh?
Comment by homesteader on 10 February 2009:
Well in conclusion ; He did not have a white wife and he Is very much Successful , so who is this Whoopie Goldberg ? Are her parents the ones who run that Goldbergs ‘ Furniture store in North Syracuse , New York - There is so much Good in all of Us / To look for the bad would have us Believe . We will think of you as a Pessimist by your thoughts of Nature . - People , we are all - People and this is a Date Ting site with a chance of Happiness for those that Desire to Be there everyday . Please try to find a Topic with Substance for All .
Comment by homesteader on 10 February 2009:
Our words are to be thought of as Generally speaking to All - People are what inhabits the Earth , We address no one / individually .
Comment by horton on 10 February 2009:
Well i think a man like him needed a woman that is polished ..and intelligent..and for both to find love and if he found that in michelle ….aim all for that..that dark skin isnt desirable is perhaps a myth….man want a woman that fits ..and skin color should be of little relevance……i think black people are more harping about skin tone than whites…..has it occured that pretty and appealing is the key ….and that comes in swedish blond or in deep dark chocolate..now if a woman has no accomplishments and absolutly nothing to offer than they cry..about all black man want white woman lol no they dont all man want a woman they can deal with ..and they come in all colors….some man dont like huge woman some man dont like extremly thin woman ….or just plain ugly in looks and spirit..that also comes in all shapes and colors…….black woman are just as pretty as white woman ….or asian woman …and in this day and age …woman is woman ….stop blaming race blame personality…..
Comment by Glock on 10 February 2009:
I just read the second post on here. I didn’t realize this was a “bash America” blog. So you hate America? Good for you. I’m glad you like socialism because that is what you’re defending. Maybe you’re used to it and know nothing else-great. I prefer freedom and liberty. At least the last few days we have of it.
You say that you get all this time off work and free medical care. You forget that it isn’t free. People have taxes taken out of their wages to pay for it. The government doesn’t just provide medical coverage out of “thin air”. In fact government produces nothing.
As far as being behond the European Union, I want to be behind as far as I can! I want the freedom to choose different opportunites, places, things etc, for myself not have the government decide for me.
Ok, rant over.
Comment by talnwhite1 on 10 February 2009:
Obama would have received MORE votes if he were married to a white woman. The next big question is this….based on exit polls 98% of African Americans and 84% of Latinos voted for Obama. Why? Because he is black(or biracial) and McCain is white. The next big question on race relations is whether or not America will ever elect a white skinned candidate over a black and/or brown skinned candidate? I don’t think in my life time it will be possible.
Comment by Glock on 10 February 2009:
And how do you know he would have received more votes if he were married to a white woman? It would be and is pure speculation.
There was a blog not long ago about a black coach who felt he didn’t get a head coaching job because his wife is white, now we’re saying a black man would have gotten more votes if his wife was white? LOL.
I think if the republicans would have put ANYONE but McCain as the nominee, the election results would have been different. McCain was THE worst choice for the republicans could have selected as their nominee. Many repubicans didn’t vote for him because of his liberal views.
Republicans spent 8 years shooting themselves in the foot. They have a history of criticizing democrats of tremendous spending and what did they do? Spend spend spend.
Comment by homesteader on 10 February 2009:
We sent them Brits home in the 1700 ’s with their tails between their legs . We helped them fight for Freedom in the 1900 ’s . We live in the Finest place in the world . For Us , Others live in the Finest place for themselves . All for one , One for all . Our lives are Paid in Full / is your house under foreclosure ? - and We could care what others drive as We have Chauffeur Driven Transportation .
Comment by rarestgold on 10 February 2009:
Talnwhite1,
I’m sorry you think/feel the way you do but, honestly let’s face facts - it was not the Black or the Latino votes that put Obama in office and contrary to popular belief many blacks, latinos AND whites voted for him not because of the color of his skin but because he was the best candidate. And to answer your question would the people elect a white skinned candiddate over a black candidate - YES as we have all seen - anything is possible.
Comment by MichaelMN on 10 February 2009:
When I enter a room, I know that I see the black women there first. Why? Because I am physically attracted to women of color. And I love rich dark skin tones. The darker the more beautiful.
When a man or woman likes blond hair or a long torso, or blue eyes, it is no big deal. Then why oh why is it such a big deal to be attracted to a person’s skin color…just another physical attribute. After all it is always the person that matters ultimately Always.
MichaelMN
Comment by MichaelMN on 10 February 2009:
Dear Hatsheput,
I would never discount nor diminish any people’s past oppression. It is real. It is sad. But, much of it is over. Not all. But much of it. As the old saying goes “Every slave’s ancesotors were once Kings. And every King’s ancestors were once slaves.” And that applies to all peoples.
I knew long ago that a black man would be President in my lifetime and I am no spring chicken. Over the litany of protests and disagreements from my black colleauges and friends, I still knew it. Why? Because the circles I roam in long ago lost concern over such matters. And these are conservative circles. I watched many years ago a few yearsa fter after liberting Kuwait (remember that one?) as the only speaker on a long docet of white speakers - the only one who got a raucous standing ovation in a 98% all white audience was a black man. Colin Powell. I have watched Clarence Thomas - love him or hate him - as he took his oath as a Supreme Court Justice, as Condeleeza Rice becamse Sec of State and so many others took their rightful place in our nation because they were qualified to lead. I knew it was only a matter of time. And I believe that even though hate will always exist to some degree - that it is only a matter of time and love before the old worn out negative issues of race in America die with the previous generations - black and white. And I will revel in that day. And I think we will all see it.
God Bless America.
America Bless God.
Michael
Comment by Glock on 10 February 2009:
Hatsheput you shound like the football coach who looks for racism. Will racism ever become extinct? No. Will it or can it be reduced? Yes but there will always be people like you that will look for any angle whatsoever to make a claim of racism. Obama could not have been elected if there were not a hell of a lot of white people voting for him (I was not one of them) but my not voting for him was because of differences in political ideologies. To you, I’m sure my not voting for him was do to his skin color.
You think by you getting into places that the “average black” couldn’t get into proves racism? Those are places I’m sure I couldn’t get into either.
Police brutality a black thing? Not exactly. The ones you see on TV are when a black person is the victim of police brutality because racism sells. You don’t see a white person being a victim of police brutality because nobody cares about that.
If you want to swap stories of racism of “unarmed” people, bring it on. There are many recent stories of whites being the victims of violent acts by blacks that do not get the press coverage as a black victim.
You brag about your association with “elite white clubs and environments” (again, groups I’m sure I wouldn’t be aloud in either) They say you are different from those “other blacks”. You forget to tell how many blacks would also say to you that you’re not “black enough” Lets be fair about this. You would receive the same type of ridicule from blacks as you would whites. Is being ridiculed by blacks that you are not “black enough” more acceptable?
When you make statements like Powell,Rice and Obama are “Magical negroes” it does give credance of what many white Americans believe, that no matter what we as white people do, we will always be considered racist by people like you. Some of the people in this country I most admire are black: Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, and Larry Elder. I like them because I agree with the stance on issues, but to you, they would be nothnig more than an “uncle Tom”. You would say I like them because they say what the white man wants to hear.
Yes there is alot of work to do. There is many minds to change. Racism does exist, but for you racism and the work that needs to be done can start by working on the person looking at you in the mirror. People like you never ever will give whites any credit
Comment by Losha on 10 February 2009:
Whoa…Glock. You are going a little too far with Hatsheput. Way too far! I am especially surprised that you keep referring to her as “people like you”. Why do white men who feel like you do…end up on a interracial site…dating a person outside your race. First of all, you are being very offensive. I am sure I dont need to go to bat for this sista…but you are. I never judge or equate my own existence or experience to someone else’s because I dont know ‘What’ they have experienced…instead I try to listen, digest and maybe add something positive to the conversation. Unlce Tom…is a misnomer and if you tried to learn more about black history, you would know that he was a man named Joehanna Hinson(sp?) is was a honorable man who took care of his family and fought against injustice in his time. Please educate yourself and be more sensitive to someone’s experience!! A MIND IS A TERRIBLE THING TO WASTE!! and please don’t limit yourself to just conservative black views…but the whole gamunt. We are interesting people!! Another tip…if you meet a black woman that you wanna date…please don’t talk to her like this…you may get your face slapped!! Kills me when a white man wants to get with a black woman and thinks like this. Sistas..run for the hills. This is why we have so many black woman who will not consider dating interracially. Sad indeed!!
Comment by Losha on 10 February 2009:
Black history moment…Josiah Henson…was a slave who knew that his master was evil and devised a plan to escape. He lived in Montgomery County, MD and managed to escape to Canada via the Underground railroad. He also returned to help a total of 100 slaves escape thru the underground railroad. Harriet Beecher Stowe based her Uncle Tom character after this real life “MAN”…but he was by no means docile to whites, a sell-out or agreed to everything the white man said or did. It’s amazing that people don’t know this black history moment and want to use that term as deragatory. He was a great man and should be honored.
Comment by MichaelMN on 10 February 2009:
I sense there is a lot of misunderstanding here. Having been married to a wonderful sista with great patience, I slowly learned much that I would have never known. She passed away years ago. I have realized that there is much yet to learn. Throwing jabs and diatribes gets us nowhere but back up on our heels. Understanding takes many forms and degrees. Unfortunately, no white man or white woman will ever know what if really feels like to be black. Nor can a black man or woman know the reverse. We have to make things happen one person at a time. With care and concern. This broad brush stuff is so wasteful of our abilities to understand each other. Patience. Time. Listening to each other is far more difficult but far more positive than jabbing at one another.
Peace.
Comment by Reverie on 10 February 2009:
MichaelMN…That is the best response I’ve read so far
Comment by Glock on 10 February 2009:
Losha, I’m sure, much to your surprise, there are white men that have different views and experiences than yours who date outside of their race. I’m also sure, to your surprise, that not all blacks think alike. Perhaps in your neck of the woods blacks are suppose to “toe the line”. Am I suppose to “think” a certain way if I have a different point of view? If I have a “politically incorrect” point of view am I allowed only to date within “my” race? Obviously you and I are not a match.
Back to my earlier statement, what did I say that was incorrect? You can bash me all you want but can you address something particular that I said that was not true?
As far as “learning” about “Uncle Tom” it’s not a phrase that routinely used by whites. Maybe you should read up on it.
Comment by cocoa777 on 10 February 2009:
Wow where do I begin. First of all Barack is bi-racial. Why does a person of mixed heritage only have to acknowledge one? Second, Michele is hardly very very very dark skinned but why does it matter. It seems the insinuation is that she is more afrocentric then because she isn’t a lighter skinned black woman. OMG, most black americans share minute shareds of European ancestry and well I don’t see where it has removed the lable of being black. So get over it. look Barack Obama is half Kenyan and half I beieve Irish American. His ancestors were not the descendants of slaves that were taken in the middle passage. So, seriously get over it.
Comment by Well on 10 February 2009:
This is a white man married to a black woman. Actually, the president is either equally ( or more so) as white as he is black. My friends in Africa especially the ones in east Africa refer to him as
point 5. But, since he is a point 5, but was raised by his white grandmother, does that make him more white than black? Actually who cares about someone’s color? The president has a difficult job and is doing it as best as he can.
Comment by Losha on 10 February 2009:
I agree…I think color is a moot point. I also think negative people are moot point also. You can never change them, but you can change yourself and change your reaction to them. I think some people are ignorant…because it serves them best. However, I still don’t think Hatsheput should be lamblasted in this forum by any man, whether he be black or white. She has a right to her opinion and I ..for one…support critical thinking to the optimal. I rather, any day of the week, listen or read someone who has something to impart…whether it be an experience that I can relate to or something I find foriegn to nature. At least, I have that opportunity to make up my own mind. And there is no such thing as “my neck of the woods”(how uniformed is that), when I on a daily basis am exposed to a global community in which I am happy to partake it. Non-Black men who get this…would go a long way in any Black woman’s book!! Here, Here!! Power to the People!!
Comment by MichaelMN on 10 February 2009:
Cocoa…you are so beautiful..oops…did i say that? lol..sigh…
Comment by girlsixdiva on 10 February 2009:
Hey “LAGBAJ” you sure have a lot of bullcrap comin’ out of your mouth for someone who’s not even a citizen of this country or even lives here. Come over here talking that trash and see how soon you’ll get your ass kicked! And we can kick your asses in SOCCER any day of the week buddy!
Comment by Endya on 10 February 2009:
Some of you are probably aware of this and some problably won’t believe this but it’s true nevertheless. Watch the THE JOURNEY OF MAN documentary. In this documentary scientist proved from DNA evidence that ALL PEOPLE- BLACK,WHITE,Asian, Hispanic, anything I missed- CAME FROM AFRICAN BLACK ANCESTORS. It was something to see but these WHITE scientist, geneologist, DNA specialist traced the oldest human lifeforms from tribes in Africa and that because of migration after thousands of years due to inbreeding within the races our skin tones, hair everything changed. America is the problem- I love this country but we had and still do have some terrible hangups a country so infected with racism that we forget as one person stated we are of the human race. I think of this whenever I witness or see negatives things due to race. I realize how ignorant some people are. All races came from African Ancestors it’s true. Even the White Polar bear came from the Brown Grizzly bear so there’s no need for buying into racism of feeling we are so different because we look different.
Comment by Endya on 10 February 2009:
Some of you are probably aware of this and some problably won’t believe this but it’s true nevertheless. Watch the THE JOURNEY OF MAN documentary. In this documentary scientist proved from DNA evidence that ALL PEOPLE- BLACK,WHITE,Asian, Hispanic, anything I missed- CAME FROM AFRICAN BLACK ANCESTORS. It was something to see but these WHITE scientist, geneologist, DNA specialist traced the oldest human lifeforms from tribes in Africa and that because of migration after thousands of years due to inbreeding within the races our skin tones, hair everything changed. America is the problem- I love this country but we had and still do have some terrible hangups a country so infected with racism that we forget as one person stated we are of the human race. I think of this whenever I witness or see negatives things due to race. I realize how ignorant some people are. All races came from African Ancestors it’s true. Even the White Polar bear came from the Brown Grizzly bear so there’s no need for buying into racism of feeling we are so different because we look different. Science geek
Comment by Endya on 10 February 2009:
Sorry about the duplication. I’m new here and well I must have hit this submit thing a few times
Comment by cocoacutie on 11 February 2009:
Everyone is labeling Obama Black because Obama himself chose that designation. He prefers to be called Black as opposed to Bi-Racial. He decided on that designation over ten years ago.
Comment by trail_hiker on 11 February 2009:
Instead of color let us use brain-power designation.
Obama - Smart
W - Empty head
Schwarzenegger - Pin head
Reagan - no comment - he is dead
and so on
Comment by MichaelMN on 11 February 2009:
Hey GirlSixDiva, now be nice to Mr Lagbaj..you know how euro types can be so arrogant..and since they long ago elected a black man to…wait a minute…they never elected a black man or woman to anything…and as an entrepreneur I would surely want to be bound by idiotic labor laws forcing me to keep lost cause employees forever and even paying them to be off 6 months out of a year..yup..that’d surely create more productivity in my company…on second thought GirlSixDiva….kick his ass..lol..and teach him how to play football, too..
Comment by dougiesmokes on 11 February 2009:
God loves us ALL because He created us all; how can i do any less? since we are ALL His children, why does the color of skin matter? why does the color of one’s skin even get mentioned? we are all His children; if you want to classify anyone, THAT is the ONLY class to put ALL of humanity into!
God first loved us; therefore, love each other as you wish to be loved! if you truly want equality, you will love ALL people as you love yourself…as you wish to be loved yourself! God is love! we are to love others as God loves us—UNCONDITIONALLY!
if you do not know love, but want to, read the bible. in it, you will find God’s Word. Jesus is your eternal salvation. in Him only, and in no other, will eternal salvation be found! “for God SO LOVED the WORLD, that He gave His ONLY begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in Him SHALL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE in heaven!”
John 3:16
how SWEET is that? eternal life with your Creator in heaven for all time? how can anything be any better?
all you have to do is ASK for it! ask Jesus to save you! believe in Jesus as your personal savior from all sin, be baptized in His name, and be assured of eternal salvation! and it is FREE! such a deal!
love all others, as God loves us all!
God loves YOU, REGARDLESS! accept His love! it is FREE!
if YOU want to speak to Jesus, do these: 1. find a private place. 2. bow your head and close your eyes. fold your hands together. 3. say this: “dear Jesus, please come into my heart and speak to me now, telling me how much you love me, and help me, a poor sinful being to be saved eternally! i pray in YOUR name, Jesus, AMEN!”
may the Lord God Almighty bless you and keep you; may He make His face to shine upon you and be gracious to you, may He lift His countenance upon you, and give you PEACE! AMEN!
Comment by Glock on 11 February 2009:
It does depend on ones opinion on whether someone get’s “lambasted” or not. Double standard? For some. I call it a difference of opinion, some call it something else. It depends on whether someone shares the “correct” opinion or not. “Critical think”? Yeah if it’s “acceptable”, and doesn’t “offend” anyone.
Lagbaja61 had a different opinion than anyone here and several had called him on it including me.
Ednya, I saw a documentary named “One Blood” by a Dr. Ham. I personally do not believe in evolution but rather we were all created by God. He stated that Adam and Eve would have probably appeared as what we would call “bi-racial”.
Comment by Teetee on 11 February 2009:
If it wasn’t for slavery (which by the way has been going on in African and Middle east for ages before the whites)I wonder if there would be racism? I also heard in some eastern part of Nigeria, some people are termed slaves for the gods, same color and all, some tribes must never marry them. In africa there is a battle of tribalism.One thing is sure Prejudice can never end…..
Comment by ngbabe on 11 February 2009:
I was born in west african and moved to the united states as a teenager—I have to say since then, people have been trying to put me in some category or the other which 90% of the time, they are wrong.
Race is not the only factor that separates: personally, as a black african, I find myself unable to identify with many african americans though we are of the same race based on the fact that we simply share d/f cultures.
Americans I find, are generally fixiated on race/color–guess that’s part of their heritage/value system.
My position on the whole Obama race issue is that people need to stop the maddness and get on with reality–The fact is that blacks and whites are no longer the dorminant races in american or around the world. I wish both white and black americans could stop thinking and acting as though they’re they only races in the WORLD.
Comment by Losha on 11 February 2009:
I am discontinuing this discussion, it has been beat to death.
Comment by ngbabe on 11 February 2009:
Teetee
Hope you’re having a good day today!!!. Point of correction and permission to disagree on your assessment of the origins and continued slavery in Africa. I happen to be born in Nigeria–country of reference in your article.
The slavery systems in Africa can only be compared to the identured servants systems that occured in Europ, Asia, Africa, and numerous parts of the world. In that system, slaves were recognized as humans and were allowed to marry each other and have families. Anothe major d/f is that in some unique circumstances,the very poor willingly enslaved themselves for a certain period to the kings in exchange for protection, food, shelter, and other basice needs. The outcasts that you mentioned in your article are people who for religious rituals were offered to the gods were/are also allowed to marry and have families among themselves—this has more to do with religious rituals than free labor.
On the contrary, however; the american slavery system was different as; it’s primary motive was to ascertain free labor from a certain group of people based on race for as long as they could. There was also the notion of dehumanizing people by dehumanizing and stripping them their status as humans. American slaves were as animals and not belonging to the human family—they were actually considered as properties and the not allowed basic human right of marrying and establishing families; some experts maintain that the inability of the slaves to establish families continues to be the root cause of many of the dysfuntions that still persist in many african american families of today.
I think it’s totally wrong to compare prejudices, stereotypes, etc. to racism and slavery—while these factors may be related in terms of perception, they are by no means the same.
Comment by Endya on 11 February 2009:
Teetee, I’m responding to an email I received with your comments. I welcome your comments but I think you totally missed what I was stating. I’m well aware of what slavery is and why it was implemented here in the US. I think many of the prejudices and stereotypes did come from racism and slavery, which I believe is due to ignorance, hatred and insecurity of racist people. I know it was for financial gain at a lost to African Americans. Losha, I agree with you because this subject can go on and on.
Comment by homesteader on 11 February 2009:
May God Bless , President Barack Obama and his wife and Family . I think he is the 44 th President of this United States of America . Now if we all can stand for the changes promised / let’s change ourselves and look to the Future , for Better days . People will always be just People . The Best Man won , Respect our President as his job is 24/7 - 365 days of the first year . Let him run his job for 4 years and we shall vote again , as to how Well he did in the First term . This Race to the finish has just begun .
Comment by homesteader on 11 February 2009:
Yes , all I see is the Greatest man in the Free world
Comment by talnwhite1 on 11 February 2009:
This is the response to glock.
Obama would have received more votes if he married a white woman. The reason is simple. It is trendy and in style. The majority, not all, but the majority of white people would kill there own children not to be labeled a racist in the USA. The majority of whites have no racial loyalty and everyone knows this. Whites have conceded power, their jobs, their culture, their women, everything since 1964-1965 when the immigration and national origin act was passed and it excludes Europeans from immigrating in mass numbers into the US. Within 100-150 years whites will disappear everywhere from the earth based on current UN projections. They are less than 8% of the world’s population at present. That is why I believe Obama would have recieved more votes if his wife were white. It is in white people’s nature to destroy themselves. Again, the majority, but not all.
As for the Republicans spending and shooting themselves in the foot? Obama is in the process of spending more money in three weeks in office, than all 8 years of Bush’s term combined! That also includes all spending on the wars in Iraq and Afganistan. Obama was also a Senator from Illinois who voted everytime, in perfect lock step, with Bush’s spending proposed bills. He voted for the war in Iraq as well. In the USA the Senate and House have to have a majority vote and the President has veto power. That is how bills pass and currently both political parties are now going to pass legislation to spend $800 billion dollars more. That is more money than any country has spent in the history of the world. The US already has more debt than ALL of the countries of the world combined! This is just the icing on the cake.
Now as for Mccain not having experience? Obama has never held a job in the private sector in his entire life. He has never served in the armed forces and has no military experience at all. This in the face of not one but two wars. Obama has been on a governemnt program or worked for a govt. agency his entire life! Based on this thin record he won the election for one reason only. Because he is black and McCain is white. Again the exit polls prove it. 98% of blacks voted for obama. 84-86% of Latinos voted for Obama. Not because he voted against the war, he voted for it. Not because he was better qualified. Simply because he is black and McCain is white. Can you base your reasoning on any statistics at all?
Comment by MsBook512 on 12 February 2009:
When Barack Obama announced that he would be running for president I was anxious to join the cause. I was more swayed by the fact that he was the product of a single parent home and had overcome the adversities of that existence. Also, I saw in him the same thing I see when I look at my daughter who is also mixed. I didn’t see black and I didn’t see white. I saw the future. I saw a future that was smart enough to figure out that over the last 200 plus years in America race has been used as a dividing force to prevent the working class from demanding equal access to education, equal access to health and equal access to a better standard of living. I saw the same thing that Joe Feagin had told me about in my college class on Race in America. I saw the same thing that Tim Wise lectures about on white inequality. I saw the same thing that Kevin Phillips talks about in his books American Theocracy and Bad Money: The american public has been co-opted by fear, division and hate for longer than necessary. About Obama in this article: To be honest, I think it’s just great that he’s married. It’s nice that he’s married to a black woman but I’d have been just as impressed if he’d been married to a woman who shared his same backgroud-someone who was mixed. What’s ironic to me is that such a ferverent article about how significant that the ‘black’ president is married to a ‘truly black woman’ and extolls on the importance of what a statement the hue of her skin color makes about black relationships. Am I on the right website? I thought we were people who wanted to look past race or at least people who were self aware enough to push away from conformity and recognize that we are all human beings first before anything else. Yeah, okay, so Obama’s not everyone’s choice for president but he was the majority’s choice. And maybe he’ll do a great job as president or a so-so job as president and we can participate in hyperbole as much as we want but NONE OF US are president so we really don’t know what we’re talking about. Yeah, some black women would like to date black men and would like for black men to prefer black women over their ‘other than’ counterparts. Still other black women would just like to find a man who respects them and honors them irregardless of the color of their skin.
Comment by Glock on 12 February 2009:
To Tallnwhite, You do bring alot of factual statements. Most of what you say IS true. However I do think the republicans did themselves alot of damage because of their spending. GW did not cut the size or reduce spending at all.
We can speculate on why whites voted for Obama, whether it was because they liked what he said, “white guilt”, retailiate against Republicans or are just dedicated loyal democrats. Bottom line is that he would not have won if a whole lot of white people did not vote for him.
As far as McCain not having experience? I don’t believe I said anything about McCain not having experience. He’s got tons of it. He just was the worst person the republicans could have picked.
Good post Talnwhite!
I would respond to “HUH?”, if there was any factual basis for his/her post.
Comment by NOPLAYER on 12 February 2009:
I wonder how many people have really watch the video at the beginning of this article?
I have watched the video on this topic about five times and each time I gain something more out of it.
I think it boils down to, ” There’s no right or wrong, only reality ” when it comes to this topic.
People will look at this topic and interpret it as it relates to them.
I view President Obama having a black wife as validating, I can say, ” see, not all sucessful blk men marry white women or almost white looking women” !
This whole thing is complex but it proves that in America we have a long way to go when it comes to issues of race and skin color.
Imagery is real because, ” seeing is believing “, so they say. As a blk person when you look at tv shows, music videos, movies and in magazines, most of the time sucessful blk men are pictured with very light skinned women and on a few occasions, white women.
Don’t tell me seeing is not believing because if it wasn’t, then explain to me how did must black folks, (before we knew better) came to believe that JESUS was white?
Because the pictures that were constanly threw up in our faces were pictures of a blonde haired, blued eyed and pale skin JESUS!
Point made! Please let’s not get into religon, I only used JESUS to explain how seeing something for so long can lead people to believe, that what they see is real or it’s true.
I uderstand why many brown or very dark skinned sister feel proud that President Obama has a brown skinned wife. Women who are very light skin may wonder why does it matter, well talk to your brown or dark skinned sisters and find out!
As for why do some sucessful blk men end up with light skinned sisters or white women, it could be as simple as, that’s who they fell in love with or it could be something else.
Sucessful men fall victim to the same hype when it comes to the “markings of sucess” in this world.
The Benz, the Rolex, the big house and yes, the light skinned beauty or a white woman.
These are the things that’s partrayed as the symbols of sucess in America. I can see how this imagery is harmful because if given to the extreme it can make those that don’t have these things feel less than those that do.
Why people do what they do, only they know.
Marry the one you’re in love with and let people think what they want.
Hell, I’m grown and I’ll marry who I deem worhty.
If I married out of nothing but pure love or some other inclination or motivation, I know that time and the trials that come with being married, will make it known.
It’s bad when you have to defend the choice of your mate because of other people’s hang-ups.
If Mrs. Obama was very dark skinned ( Southern Sudan ) black folks would have something to say.
If she was very light skinned
You look at the music videos and wh
Comment by NOPLAYER on 12 February 2009:
I’ll continue from my last post, I accidently hit tne submit button.
If she was very light skinned some of us still wouldn’t be satisfied, so where does it end?
I think alot of us need to work on our own skin color issues because too many of us or hung up on something that none of us had a choice in and that’s our color or shade of our blackness.
James
Comment by homesteader on 12 February 2009:
One question ; Whose business is it as to the Presidents Wife , but the President himself ? Go ahead and make him Mad with your opinions . Just remember his other power is to Declare War on Insurgents who threaten United States Doctrine . He has the last word .
Comment by homesteader on 12 February 2009:
And that’s a Fact Jack , Duh
Comment by homesteader on 12 February 2009:
Let us get to the point of discussion ; Now that the President is Successful in his election . Will this success change the wife he has already choosen ? It was after the Fact on the original Topic and we talk like we have any Influence in a dead issue . Reading is for understanding the ignorance Desplayed by the V
Comment by vt33 on 12 February 2009:
It is embarrassing to see that in 2009 we still have so much hidden racism and contempt for color that it has to be blogged about.
I think so many people blogging here missed Dr. Twines point. A brainwashing has occured and it seems to have affected black and whites literally. “Upgrading”, it’s what you do when you have achieved in your mind some level of affluence and you are ready for your life to reflect your accomplisment.
The actually observation of the bloggers here, is who can prove who’s point is right or wrong, when the reality is, so much contempt for “upgrading”. There is no big secret to Dr. Twines observation that light black women have always been deemed beautiful, no doubt no argument. Its not a very hard thing to see in other cultures as well, look at Brazil, the darker brazilian is not considered beautiful no different in America right?
I think the point people are missing here, President Obama choose the women who he felt “upgraded” him, she’s educated, regal that’s what he felt upgraded him. Of course he could have picked a million different women, but he choose the one who was a good fit for him, she “upgraded” him and he honored her with marriage and a beautiful life. Simple!
Can anyone really speak on white blackmen marry white women, there are the sterotypes, the myths, legends and the what not. If anyone ever askes a black man who has afflunce why they marry white and not black, some may say white women are cultured. Ask black men who are not so affluent why they marry white women, they may say for opportunity or status. Ask a young black man, educated, affluent, why when he ask a young black woman with education, and affluent, why she won’t marry him, he’ll respond “her father felt I wasn’t good enough”. Many scenario’s so much hype, and a lot of brainwashing into this subject.
It still remains, black men and black women, still has issue with color and getting past light, to medium to dark. White America seems to be joining in on this issue, I think a good portion of you blogging here may have small children or know small children, it is now time to deprogram and help little minds know, black is very beautiful, it comes in many hues, and everyone is beautiful, but we need to stop directing and associating beauty with the lightest hue in the spectrum.
I could sit here and point out many black notable women who aren’t considered beautiful and many light hue black women who have found success. I think, we are all beautiful in our own little special way, if the world doesn’t see it, we know why. Brainwashing!
Ciao!
just a thought folks no jibberish replys.
Comment by deeann on 12 February 2009:
@ lagbaja61, good for you.
Comment by coffee77 on 12 February 2009:
I know this is not directly addressing the topic, but I wanted to address some of the accusations against blacks coming from a couple of bloggers here.
It is so sad that a few bloggers here have made themselves experts as to why most blacks voted for Barack. Have you guys every speculated why whites have been content to vote for whites only for the past 200 years and, would have been happy to continue throughout the history of this world. Have you taken one moment to ask yourselves that question? Are all the logs out of your eyes, while you are trying to get a splinter out of our eyes?
I was a republican for many years, but was surprised how much racism came to a fever pitch from the republicans over the past 2 years. I saw nothing but division for this country. President Obama and blacks have fully embraced Lincoln, though Lincoln still had racist beliefs. And, we have somewhat embraced those who treated us like animals, such as George Washington. And while you two are giving your “expert” information, name any other group of people who have embraced, fought and died for their country when their country hated them. And, the German prisoners of WWII were treated better than the black heroes of that same war, but that didn’t stop us from the Revolutionary War to the Iraq War. So you may want to think twice about supposedly pointing out “our faults” during this election. Can you vote or love someone who believes you are the same level as an animal.
Comment by coffee77 on 12 February 2009:
Yes, blacks were happy to vote for a qualified and able man of color, and they don’t need to apologize for that. And yes, the stimulas spending is the biggest in history, but remember why it has to be big, the republicans made the biggest mess since the great depression.
I notice must republicans always say, we will vote for a black - it’s always something they would do in the future. And, if some white decides to vote for us now, they are supposedly carrying white guilt. You guys have all the answers, even though 99% of us have voted for whites, but you guys always plan to in the future in the sweet bye and bye, when you can find one of us who’s worthy enough.
Comment by Glock on 12 February 2009:
Sure Coffee I’ll answer your questions. As far as your quote “accusations against blacks” what exactly are you referring to?
As far as labeling us “experts” in the voting patterns of blacks, those are your words not mine. I simply speculated and voiced an opinion. We all have opinions do we not? These blogs are filled with peoples opinions. In fact you just gave your opinion. Opinion can be based on fact or fiction, they can be wrong or correct. Are a couple of white guys voicing an opinion about black and white voting patterns now protected speech?
Have I speculated why whites voted for only whites for over 200 hundred years, lol, ah…..NO. What would be the point in that. I do however speculate why they voted for a particular candidate back then versus another….in fact…the same thing I’m doing here! This time there was a racial component added to the mix plus the difference (however slight) in political ideologies between the 2 candidates.
That being said, I am not a republican (I’m sure much to your surprise) However back in 1996 and 2000 I did support Alen Keyes (Yeah! the black guy!). I’m sure you heard of him. He was the best candidate, at least in my book. He was a man who knew and spoke of the Constitution as the very basis of our government. Now you can NOT tell me there were many blacks that supported him! In fact I knew MANY whites who supported him. Keyes was not only vilified by black pundits but vertually ignored by the mainstream press. I also supported the black Libertarin candidate for Governor in Michigan a few years back. I voted for none of these men because they were black but rather what they stood for…a constitutional government.
I have since totally abandoned voting for any republican in the future because I find them no different than the democrats. They do not support liberty and freedom. The libertarians do.
Oppps now I’ll probably get yelled at for being “too harsh”
I’m now removing the last splinter…ouch!
Comment by Glock on 13 February 2009:
Xendau, you by far have the best post on this thread! You said it all!
Comment by only_otter on 13 February 2009:
Why should it matter? Black or White man elected into office who has a dark skinned or white wife. Who cares? Want to know what I care about?
Is this man going to keep his promises? Am I going to have a job tomarrow? Is social security going to be there for me when I need it or in his pocket? Is he going to sell me out to the highest big business? Am I going to have food on the table to feed my family?
Skin color? Big whoop!!!!!!!
Comment by Glock on 13 February 2009:
Only Otter, no it shouldn’t matter what his skin color. But as far as his promises…it doesn’t matter what his promises are, legislation comes from congress not the executive. Many people think that the president can wave a magic wand and get what he wants. It doesn’t work like that. And thank God it doesn’t work like that, although we are inching that way ever so slowly.
If the president says he is going to save jobs, he’s lying. If he says he’s going to save social security, he’s lying and if he say he’s going to put food on your table, he’s lying. He doesn’t have the power to do that and if he ever does get the (constitutional) power to do it, you only need to look at Cuba to see what kind of system we will have in America.
Comment by Cocosan on 13 February 2009:
Life is much too short to worry about skin color - there are far more pressing matters at hand!
I have been with many people at their death and I don’t recall any of them confessing or proclaiming thet they had married someone of the same race or that thhey were sorry they married someone of a different race!
I am living my life so that everyday until my death I can exclaim that I am loved by a wonderful man!
Comment by coffee77 on 13 February 2009:
As for as referring to my body parts - how sad to go so low Xendau, May God help you anyway.
Comment by xendau on 13 February 2009:
Coffee77 - Still need to remove your head huh? I wasnt “referring” to any of your “body parts”. Its an expression, that I am sure a woman of your age is familiar with.
But thank you for just confirming what was already obvious with your previous posts.
Comment by coffee77 on 13 February 2009:
Glock - I do appreciate being able to respectfully disagree with you without you personally attacking me below the belt.
That’s my last comment, and if that other person wants to attack me again - have at it!
Comment by homesteader on 13 February 2009:
These were meant to be Discussions , not warring Debates . Personal attacks against anyone shows how Low We all can go . Phrases can and will be misinterpreted at times . If the Dog had not stopped / would he have caught the Rabbit ? No - dogs do not catch rabbits , they run them to the hunter with the Shotgun .
Comment by ngbabe on 13 February 2009:
Someone said it earlier—this subject has been beat to death so let’s move on to bigger things—our economy is crumbling and people (blks, whts, yellow etc) are getting pink slips daily and all we can do is spend precious time making much ado about nothing that is outside of our control anyway!!!
I assumed the fact that we are on this site implies we are open-minded individuals who refuse to operate within the box—judging from these personal attacks, boy, was I wrong or what?.
Comment by talnwhite1 on 13 February 2009:
In response to coffee.
You made a comment in your post that whites cannot see blacks being nothing but perceived as animals or something of that nature. You also made commments about how Obama was the best qualified candidate and that the Republicans are racist as well as Pres. Lincoln.
1-Over 600,000 white men died in the American Civil War. A war in which most historians say was to end slavery. The civil War occured in 1861-1865 under Pres. Lincoln’s trem in office. Lincoln was a Republican.
2- Obama has NEVER held a job in the private sector in his entire life. He as ALWAYS been subsidized by the government in some way his entire life. Both as a child and an adult. He has never served in the military. He is now Commander in chief of not one, but two wars. Yet you mention Obama as the “more qualified candidate”.
3- How can whites ever vote for a democrat candidate when there is rampant liberal racism?
Let me give you a few facts. In 1971-1972 Pres. Nixon, a Republican, gave more tax money to the NAACP that any Pres. in US history before or since his term. Nixon is today considered a racist.The liberals enacted the Immigration and National Identity Act commonly known as part of the the “Civil Rights” bill. This restricts white european Immgration into the US. their are no other restrictions on any other racial group of people today. That was signed in 1964 under the Johnson administration, a liberal Democrat. He also instituted affirmative action programs which make it legal to discriminate against whites seeking employment, housing and entrance to colleges.
As for your other comments-
4-Whites voted for white candidates for 200 years because they were the most qualified candidates. 5-As for German POW’s in WW2. My father’s cousin was a POW, all German by birth, and still fought in the US army. For 2 years he was held in North Africa under Rommel as a prisoner. Conditions were tough, but he was never tortured. You are probably reffering to the 500 or so Tuskegee airman that lost there lives in WW2 and have been made so popular in the media. Their sacrifices are very honorable. But what about the 500,000 plus casualities of white men who died in WW2 fighting for the US? Why are they not mentioned during black history month for ending racism? And before you say it that Germany started the war. Japan attacked the US on Dec 7 1941. The US declared war on Germany two weeks later.
Comment by Losha on 13 February 2009:
It astounds me how racist these people are on this site are.Unbelieveable!! I am shocked. It doesn’t matter whether you think Obama is qualified or not…HE IS OUR PRESIDENT. Get over it!! And what have you done lately? Are you a Harvard educated lawyer that is smart enough to edit law review? How many degrees do you have? That you can sit back and critique a man that can run circles around you..or do you think that affrimative action had something to do with it? My father served 2 tours in Viet Nam and served with black, whites or just plain Americans. When you have enemy shooting at your azz…who cares what color? Have you served your country in the military? And if you haven’t, you have some damn nerve criticizing people who have or have not. You need to stop fronting and go ahead an wear those white sheets. The most qualified..my azz..george bush was dumb as hell and thats why our country is in such dired straits. There are more Black soldiers besides the Tuskegee airmen..that served along whites..you dishonored their sacrifices with your biased as hell views. I will be filing a complaint with the owners of this site to monitor this mess and kick racist offensive views off this interracial love site. Please…for those of you that are offended by this bastard’s view…report it immediately!! I am mad as hell!!
Comment by Losha on 13 February 2009:
I just submitted a complaint ticket…please coffee and others that have been offended by this racist rant…go to the help page and submit a complaint. I will give then 48 hours to respond..then I am calling them. We don’t have to pay money and read this garbage. I be damned!! I will cancel my subscription before I be a part of such craziness.
Comment by Glock on 13 February 2009:
Interesting. It appears that Losha is now the blog police. In her mind if a white man has an opinion and has the audacity to speak it he is a racist.
Losha WHO CARES if you reported talnwhite1’s to the website or not. The only thing I disagree with him on his last post was that the civil war was not about slavery. It was about states rights. Now if THAT strikes you as a “racist” comment, then report me too! I thought you were done posting on this blog anyway.
So do I understand you now that since we do have a “black” (I still chuckle over that)president, he is immune to any criticism? LOL. He has no idea what criticism is. Bush got more criticism than any president I can remember, and deservedly so.
Since you mentioned Obama’s Harvard education, all it proves to me is that you can get a Harvard Law degree, edit the law journal and still not know a damn thing about the constitution or economics 101. Do not for one minute believe that you have to go an Ivy league university to be educated. I would LOVE to debate him. Of course that will never happen.
Now, since we’re all “waiting” for the website to make their decision about your DEMANDS”,I wonder what they are going to do about your insinuation that talnwhite wears “white sheets”.
I have no problem debating the subject at hand, the issue or whatever it is that brings discussion and debates about the myriad of topics. But if you feel you are losing the argument and can’t take it, don’t stoop to calling someone a racist just because you can’t defend your argument. That label gets SOOOOOO overused. If they ban talnwhite, then they had better ban me AND YOU as well and END the blogs…period.
Comment by Glock on 13 February 2009:
Oppppps. I just realized that someone is going to assume I meant my last quote “black” (I still chuckle about that)” as meaning I laugh at having a black president. I was referring to the label “black” because he’s not (in my opinion), he’s bi-racial.
I know someone was ready to trounce all over that and tell the website “See, see, I told ya, they’re all racist” LOL
Comment by Ms Yvette on 14 February 2009:
People are entitled to their opinions….when you personally start attacking people…then you move away from the issues at hand….P.S. I’m sure, first Lady Mrs. Obama, could care less about your comments regarding her skin color and this website..
Comment by Lala_ on 14 February 2009:
chuckle away Glock, because in case you’ve forgotten(rather I say forgotten to care) Obama refers to himself as a black man.
I hate how you people do that, this is why some people like me have so many problems growing up because of people like you. You forget that biracial simply means from two different ethnic backgrounds. Biracial could refer to Asian/white, Asian/black, etc etc. So saying biracial is sugar coating. Like I said, it is like saying George Washington isn’t white, he’s full raced. Like you’re denouncing what the person is, in mine and Obama’s case, it is a person of a black parent and a white parent. Which means half white/ half black, which means they are black and they are white. Notice how I’m not putting any side down right? But I don’t like someone referring to someone like me as if I’m a being of no origin. Means I am a black woman and I am a white woman. Will not ever be accepted as a white woman, but I still love who I am. If I were say, half black half Asian it’d be much simpler, because then there’s not that whole “white purity” thing to deal with. Anyway, like I said, chuckle along with your “white”(i’m tickled inside at the mere thought of saying that cause you’re not in my opinion) full raced self.
lol.
Comment by Lala_ on 14 February 2009:
chuckle away Glock, because in case you’ve forgotten(rather I say forgotten to care) Obama refers to himself as a black man.
I hate how you people do that, this is why some people like me have so many problems growing up because of people like you. You forget that biracial simply means from two different ethnic backgrounds. Biracial could refer to Asian/white, Asian/black, etc etc. So saying biracial is sugar coating. Like I said, it is like saying George Washington isn’t white, he’s full raced. Like you’re denouncing what the person is, in mine and Obama’s case, it is a person of a black parent and a white parent. Which means half white/ half black, which means they are black and they are white. Notice how I’m not putting any side down right? But I don’t like someone referring to someone like me as if I’m a being of no origin. Means I am a black woman and I am a white woman. Will not ever be accepted as a white woman, but I still love who I am. If I were say, half black half Asian it’d be much simpler, because then there’s not that whole “white purity” thing to deal with. Anyway, like I said, chuckle along with your “white”(i’m tickled inside at the mere thought of saying that cause you’re not in my opinion) full raced self.
Comment by NOPLAYER on 14 February 2009:
Why is color an issue ?
Color is an issue because White Folks ( certainly not all but far too many )have made it an issue in this country for over 400 years.
They say that for every EFFECT there’s an CAUSE!
The main thing ( COLOR )that was used to divided people for so long in this country, is now the thing that unites them.
People now lean towards those that look like them. Once they come together, should they find their views are as different as apples and oranges, so be it.
If you’re out and about and fights break out, you automatically look for those that look like you and you draw towards them. If you’re bi-racial and you have a black parent, you’d get your ass over with the blacks and you know you would.
I know this sickness has crept into the blood stream of this country and it’s not good and if healed it will destroy the country.
Those of mixed ancestry ( blk & wht ) have a right to identify with both sides, finding full recognition and acceptance from both sides is another story.
It shouldn’t be a shock that many ( not all ) biracial ( blk & wht )identify more with their blackness than their whiteness.
The rejection and unacknowledgment, while it can come from either side, many biracial people will tell you, it was their white side of the family that had problems with recognizing them.
It warms my heart when I’m walking in the park here in Nurnberg, Germany, to see old German couples out running behind their mixed grandchildren and beeming with pride and love for their little ones.
This color issue wasn’t created over night and it wont go away over night, get used to it because it’ll be here for a while.
Looking at the responses on this blog really lets me know how far we’ve got to go.
A few people on this blog are so closed minded, that I feel they’d do us all a big favor and leave IR dating alone.
Just imagine having one of these clowns show up at a family cook out!
Comment by homesteader on 14 February 2009:
President Obama is his Proper Title , He Earned it . Anything else writen by a citizen of this country shows Disrespect and Lack of intelligence .
Comment by homesteader on 14 February 2009:
The three greatest liars ; are Politicians / who cannot make everyone Happy as they spend money that is not available - us being indebt , Used car salemen / who were not previously the only driver of the cars they sell and East Texas fishermen / who have always think they have caught More and Bigger fish than all others combined . Alas these are only my opinions / I leave this open for Debate ….
Comment by homesteader on 14 February 2009:
And I Love little baby ducks , old pickup trucks and rain
Comment by Glock on 14 February 2009:
Lala, how do you determine that I “forgot” that biracial is? Nor did I put down either “race”.
If NOPLAYER wants to find out why is there a color issue, go read the previous posts here. Tell us what your opinion is where “color” came into the picture.
As far as your other statements, “if a fight breaks out and you have a black parent you are going to get your ass with the blacks and you know you would.” That is by far one of the most rediculous comments I have read. Why do you suggest that a biracial person is going to automatically ’side’ with the blacks?
I know from personal experience my kids have seen more rejection from their black side of the family than they received from mine. Not one bit of brief from my side, not one.
As far as your term “blackness” and “whiteness” perhaps you can enlighten me. What exactly is this ‘condition’?
I put you in the same catagory as Losha and Lala in the rediculousness of your comments. You basically want all those white folks to shut up when it comes to anything about race. You say you want open honest discussion but you really don’t. You want them white folks to sit down shut up and listen.
No difference of opinion allowed. Whites aren’t allowed to have any opinions on the matter.
Talk about you wanting an interracial relationship! Yeah as long as the other person doesn’t have opinions! They just need to shut up!
Maybe it’s you NOPLAYER that needs to bail on the interracial dating.
I have no problem discussing race or anything else. After all it’s a freaking interracial dating site, do you think that race isn’t going to be discussed? But you, Losha, and Lala you want us white folks to be quiet.
Yes for some there is a long way to go. You should consider yourself one of them.
Comment by canub4me on 14 February 2009:
I am so sick of the biracial word mess. If obama never told you his mother was white you would have called him black all day long! The brother got swaggah…As far as Michelle (She picked his ass…dont get it twisted cuz he was sweating her)!!, she is indeed very beautiful and she is not very dark…There are 36 shades of black skin and only 3 sheds of white skin (boring). As far as Whoopi…that chick needs an overhaul…!she look a hot mess.. As far as black men marrying anyone….white or black its far and few. A brother aint anxious to commit really and trust me… its a sista somewhere in the mix if he did it white! Maybe, the white girl like dark meat too! Just step up your game white boy…Did you know that because of Jack Dempson prostitution is illegal….He was a black boxer who all the white girls could get enough of. The man was so grand they took him out of the history books and I’m sure you know the Mandigo story. The moral of my story is that white girls have been facinated about a black man throughout time….I don’t know what it is about a brotha,,,I must admit I love to see the body of a brother…the muscle tone, the different types of skin colors, its very different from a white guys muscle tone. Some look like black gods. How could any girl resist, black or white. I just find myself in a pond because there are too few go brothas to go around so I broaden my horizons and now I date out of my race…I could never have imagined this years ago. I have girl friends who can’t get enough of a brotha…even if they have to share him with another 2 or 3 women they refuse to date out of there race. I did the numbers…I figure…can get white guys a dime-a- dozen…so plentiful! Aint too many Obamas to go around….LOL
Comment by homesteader on 14 February 2009:
Well all We can say is that our grown children are Half n’ half . Because my biological are white and her biological are black . Does this mean that because we married in our 50’s that We should feel that Ours is any less of an Inter-racial Union ? May God Bless all people / The President and his Beautiful Family also . I myself on occasion dated inter-racially for 40 years and grew up watching the changes come about with growing education of this whole world . My Wife and I met here about 2 years ago and have been married almost that long . Due to my early Retirement , we spend 24/7 together . And only God knows if We shall ever have children born as of the nightly practice of Loving each other . Many changes I have seen in my lifetime , all moving in a Positive direction . Alas all Good things take time to grow . Change evolves with the help of many if not all peoples of this Earth . Many have died so that others could be free and men and women in Battle did not see color / they saw compatriots in their Choice of Freedom . Afro-Romance is one way to enhance the Future of change and We still remain against each other at a stepping stone which has a start at better times to come . My final word today is to allow those that do not want change to find another dating site where they will fit in .
Comment by MichaelMN on 14 February 2009:
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Why this has become a political forum is understandable. However, I sense we are losing the point of this blog.
When we realize that we are all more similar than disimilar we will then - and only then - move forward.
Diversity is not extolling our differences. It is understanding that we may have differences.
Act 3, Scene 1 Merchant of Venice.
If you prick us, do we not bleed?
if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison
us, do we not die? and if you wrong us, shall we not
revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will
resemble you in that.
We are all more alike than different.
Color or no color.
It is not WHAT we are - black, white, Christian, Jew, Democrat, Republican…it is WHO WE ARE.
When we can judge each other by the content of our character not the color of our skin.. MLK, Jr. one of my heroes…ONLY THEN WIL WE BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER.
And I still love the appearance of a woman of color…and still want to know who she is more than what she is.
Michael
Comment by Layla32 on 14 February 2009:
I find this topics to be more divisive than anything.
Everyone is arguing who is black or white, I find the Nigerian woman’s comments particulary amusing.
Can someone tell me what black or white definitively means? Everyone is arguing over a concept that was created by white supremacy to divide people. What makes a person “black”? Is it color of skin, ancestry, texture of hair, having ancestors in Africa? What is it?
And before you answer, I can bet a million dollars that you will get more than fifteen different responses depending on who you ask.
So, there are many people who would look at a Nigerian person, darker than most people in the US as absolutely crazy for inferring that she is not “black”? So you are from Africa, darker than most “African-Americans”, but you are not black? Sorry, but I was married to a “mixed” Nigerian man and I could spend countless days and nights talking about the divisiveness, and racial issues with Nigerians. I won’t though, I will be nice. But there is no alpha and omega on this subject.
And what is white? Anyone that has ever studied history in this country will tell you that white has changed dramatically over the years. At one time Irish weren’t considered white, at another Italians weren’t considered “white” and let’s not forget it was THIS COUNTRY that deemed that anyone that had black blood was considere black.
So why is it that all of sudden people are downing people from living in a system and addressing each other the way this country FORCED US TO DO. It’s silly. Do you know that if you have a black parent and a white parent, you can describe your child as black & white, or just black/African-American but you NOT ever describe your child as “white” only. Remember now, this was done after the biracial movement forced the country to re-evaluate the whole doctrine of race, but it is not mandatory.
I wish truly wish that on a site where people are coming together to date regardless of color, there wouldn’t be so many combative blogs regarding the obsession of race. We should stop focusing on it, and learn to see each other as individuals.
Comment by lala on 14 February 2009:
Glock,sorry you just made your reading comprehenshion level look like that of a 3 year old. lol. I clearly said, wait a minute it’d be even better if I quote myself “because in case you’ve forgotten(rather I say forgotten to care) Obama refers to himself as a black man”
Yes, see how you somehow skim over that? So, it’s really sad that you’re trying to put the world down for referring to him as to what he refers to himself. Anyway….
Are you mixed?? no, so dont think you having children that are makes it easier for you to understand. I wouldn’t expect some of the black people to understand(though they seem to understand far more than you can), and I certainly don’t expect you to.
Let’s say I were Dominican and Italian, I’d still be mixed but it’d be so much simpler for your little old mind to understand. Okay, so I would be accepted as a Dominican and as a Italian. If I were to do something exemplary and the first to do so, I would be noted as the first Dominican to do it AND the first Italian. It’s just that simple. Why? Because I’d be accepted as both. My being mixed with Italian doesnt negate the fact that I’m Dominican. And see, you say you’re not putting down any side, but look at you saying he’s not black. Now, firstly, everyone embraces that he is mixed. But something in your head wants to only say he is biracial. You make yourself look silly. Because as I mentioned earlier, that means from to different ethnicities, and ummmmm….. can you please tell me what those two are??? Black and White right? this isn’t paint where if you take black and white and mix it together, you get grey. Sorry, we’re human. So you are what you are mixed with, simply put.
Comment by bigfine1966 on 14 February 2009:
after reading everyone response or most near the end i got tired of it all. But i really believe there are so many more things in this life to focus on than the color of the first lady and why or if our president would have been president if his wife was white. In the states on a person birth certificate the person is the the color of the mom but what does it matter. Our president decided to take on something that clearly would be hard for any man to do by himself therefore his sucess will only be as far as we are sucessful in what ever we do as a country. So my hat goes off to him and what he hopes to accomplish. Rome was built in a day so i dont expect everything to be right with America in a day.
Comment by Ms Yvette on 14 February 2009:
Everyone point was heard….Now, Can we PLEASE…..GIVE IT SOME REST!!!!!!…AND FOR THE FINAL….HAPPY VALENTINE’S DAY TO ALL…..
Comment by RobertIV on 15 February 2009:
First Happy Valentines Day to all! There are so many opinions that could be addressed, there are facts that appear to have been researched. I must say that it is a good thing to at least get people talking. At the end of the day Endya had the most accurate point and that is that we all come from the same source. As an African American male I must also admit that most of us are in an identity crisis as to what success looks like to us. We have used standards that don’t belong to us for so long that most don’t know what scale to use. I have this conversation about the values/appearance of success with other African American males 2-3 times per week. We are still a work in progress, and I am doing my best to invigorate and educate as many of the Brothers as I can. Right now I can only speak for myself…I have dated many different races of women and have found that I truly love Black Women the most and currently that is all that I date.
Comment by Universal20 on 15 February 2009:
Black women stop trying to use race for a crutch when u know that 80% of u are not for the black man anyway ,the only color u see money green,finances have taken over your morals . I sick of black women hating on black men because they marry outside of their race ,remember when that brotha was struggling u would’nt give him the time of day but that white sista did and thats why he married outside his race .Some sistas are the worst women the world for a black man because of your greed ,arrogance ,and lack of morals
Comment by homesteader on 15 February 2009:
Melis87 , you have hit the nail on the head - Talk to Ria / she is responseable for the topics presented here for discussion . But as I have heard / No news is Good news . It might take some work to find a topic with what you seek , Positive Change is forever moving forward at a faster pace . Happiness can and will be found here at Afro-Romance . This We know for sure .
Comment by ASPENRAIN on 15 February 2009:
FIRST OFF…….WHERE IN THE WORLD IS MICHELLE OBAMA VERY VERY DARK SKINNED ……U YOU CONDITION BOO ?. IN CASE U DIDN’T KNW THERE ARE 37 SHADES OF PEOPLE OF COLOR…..THAT’S RIGHT ***37 SHADES**** CLEARLY UR COLOR BLIND.
Comment by Foxybrwnskin on 16 February 2009:
My Goodness!
I almost feel like I’m beating a dead horse here but based on other posts, maybe not so here goes. The First Lady is an elegant, articulate, classy, sophisticated, beautiful and graceful woman who has the all important job of being President Obama’s back bone. As the saying goes ” Behind every good man stands a great woman.” Mrs. Obama has one of the most difficult jobs in the land ( only second to her husband’s of course) and that job is supporting her man. The man has to clean up Bush’s mess and that should be no easy task. I’m not one to talk about politics so I won’t. I will in fact redirect myself towards the topic at hand.. Michelle Obama is not ” very very dark” in any way, shape, or form. In fact, she is what is commonly known in the black culture as ” brownskinned”……. Now, I’m going to play Devil’s Advocate for just a second. I would presume that to someone who is not aware of the various skin tones w/ in our culture, they would automatically think Mrs. Obama is dark skinned. Think about it for just a second. In a world where Beyonce, Alicia Keys, & Halle Berry are reveered as the epitome of a black woman, why wouldn’t he think Mrs. Obama is dark? Now, no longer being the devil’s advocate and back to being myself I have some advice, and please hear me gentlemen because this is for you. I know that you have just recently been taught about the 36 or so different skin tones in our rainbow spectrum( ranging from the creamiest vanillas all the way to the silkiest, decadent mahoganys ) so you should be good to go on that. Look, for the majority of white men on this site, you are here to meet a beautiful black queen right? Well how can you meet her when you don’t really know who she is? Learn about her, get to know who she is as well as her culture because it is equally offensive to automatically assume a very light skinned woman is mixed simply because she is light just as it is offensive to a brownskinned woman to tell her she is ” very, very, dark.” We are all here for the same reason and that is to find friendships and lasting love, but take it from me; get to know her on the inside but in
this case, get to know her on the outside as well……… Good luck to all in your quest for love…….
Comment by MichaelMN on 16 February 2009:
Dear Aspenrain,
Thank you for sharing.
And I love all 37 shades and flavors sizes and shapes.
As long as she is the right woman for me that is all that matters.
Peace out.
Comment by Chosen519 on 16 February 2009:
I wonder… Would he have been elected if his wife was of another race?? That’s a good question.
Comment by OkHereWeGo on 17 February 2009:
Thanks MichaelIMN. I am with you on this.
All the comments and sharing of thoughts are fantastic. But I too love all shades, flavors, sizes and shapes. It’s about finding the right person.
Ciao!
Comment by Nenalinda on 17 February 2009:
talnwhite & glock: I hope that you folks are on this site looking for romance with white women. I am disgusted by all the white men that come on this site just looking to “hook up” with black women; Wondering what it would be like. When it’s time to really find a partner they find one just like them.
Comment by Nenalinda on 17 February 2009:
Real men avoid skirt fights !
Comment by JUICYLU on 17 February 2009:
Whoooa there Universal20! I’m from a certain Caribbean island and I have seen how badly the men behave that I wouldn’t have anything to do with them. The women are strong, work hard, but they’re let down by the men. They love home making, love to take care of their families,etc. Most of the men are unable to express themselves so beat up their wives, refuse to work or to strive for self-improvement - they end up in a rut and this leads to drugs. Yes, I know white men beat their women too, but they are so much caring towards the black woman than the black man is.
That is why black women go for white men - not for the money. You need not worry because I will assume you have none for a black woman to “go after” These black men are not interested in going to the theatre, they do not read books, they do not take any interest in their children’s upbringing, they do not go for walks in the countryside ….. the list goes on.
Think about it and see if you or your friends match the description.
I’m from the UK by the way - and the black men here are a totally different to the American men.
BY THE WAY, YOUR COMMENT HAS LEAD TO A DEVIATION FROM THE SUBJECT MATTER.
Comment by homesteader on 17 February 2009:
When a man takes a hand to a women in anger . He becomes less than a man . He should remember that when he sleeps / this same woman can take an old axe handle to his knees . God said ” Thou shalt not kill ” , alas maim someone who hurts you , they will not do it again and walk away forever . No one should allow another to inflict physical pain without Restitution . Amen
Comment by Glock on 17 February 2009:
Nenalinda, I guess you’re making an assumption aren’t you. Are you assuming that I am here to “hook up”? Is that you method of “getting even” so to speak? Accuse a white man of wanting to “hook up”. Are you equally disgusted by the black men who come to this site to “hook up”? Or is it strickly a ‘hate white men” thing with you?
You just prove that you don’t have to be white to be racist. Apparently you and several others on this site are open to white men, just the robotic ones. The ones who think and believe what you tell them to believe and think. Thank God you and I and several others here will never be a match. And believe me I would rather be single than to spend anytime with your ilk.
You’re pathetic.
Comment by Cocosan on 17 February 2009:
talnwhite & Glock, don’t think for a minute that Nenalinda speaks for all (or even many) black women! Remember-that is HER personal opinion.
There are many black women who are smart enough to discern who is on this site just to “hook-up” and who is not - whether he is black or white!
Real women don’t punish a man for another man’s transgresions…
Comment by Nenalinda on 18 February 2009:
Cocosan: You are right. Real women don’t “punish” men period. I think that it’s safe to assume by the use of the word men / man; we are referring to an adult male and punishment is not necessary as he’s not a child. However, if he’s into that type of thing bring it on…lol
Comment by Nenalinda on 18 February 2009:
Cocosan: You are right. Real women don’t “punish” men period. I think that one can assume by the use of the word men / man; we are referring to an adult male and punishment is not necessary as he’s not a child. However, if he’s into that type of “thing” bring it on…lol I am all the woman that he will ever need
Comment by Nenalinda on 18 February 2009:
Also Cocosan: I am new to this discussion and I read ALL the comments. I feel that Hatsheput should be able to express an opinion with out the bashing and the little comments that can be perceive by new people like me as “offensive”. Some blacks who will jump to the defense of people that make comments like these, obviously enjoy - the “you all” and the “You people” comments. Maybe it turns them on (I don’t know) for me it’s offensive. Also could you please explain to me what Glock meant by referring to Losha’s neighborhood as “her neck of the woods” It’s safe to say that this topic was discussed in the chat room today and the majority agreed that Glock probably assumes that Losha is black, therefore, she lives in a ghetto. I found it offensive period.
I applaud Losha for taking the time to explain the story about Mr. Henson. Very much appreciated. I have always wondered where the saying originated.
Comment by Cocosan on 18 February 2009:
Nenalinda, There is nothing wrong with satisfying your man’s “things”! I am with you on that!
I am just tired of people “assuming” the meaning of what someone else says. The statement(s) that Glock and others made that offended you - try not to read into them and there certainly is no reason to have a whole chat about what you think someone meant. I am black and I have had my neighborhood referred to as “my neck of the woods” many times and with the homes starting at over a quarter million dollars, I certainly would not expect someone to assume that I must live in a ghetto! If people continue to attach old feelings, etc. to blanket terms, we will never be able to get past some of those old feelings. Sure, there are people who are mean-spirited and evil and want to keep people at odds with each other. There is nothing we can do but pray for them.
I cannot speak for Glock - he is the ONLY one who can accurately tell you what he meant! If what he previously stated as explanation remains unclear, simply ask him for clarification.
Comment by AFGurl3 on 18 February 2009:
I wish people get over discussion President Obama’s race. Obama is “light-skinned,” however at the end of the day he is still a black man. Halle Berry is of mixed background but she IS still a black woman. My point is, both of these individuals are darker than my mother, and she is born of two black parents. However, my grandfather’s family is of white/european background. Can the world get over looking at his race? As Martin Luther King Jr. said, “let him be judged not by the color of his skin, but the content of his character. Yes, he is married to a black woman. But she is very successful and very smart, and they have two beautiful children. The color of his skin shouldn’t matter, as long as he leads this country in the correct manner. Any manner, is better than Bush. Truth of the matter is, we are ALL people. God created us all. We ALL have some african roots, no matter what color our skin is. Read your history books and your Bibles.
Comment by AFGurl3 on 18 February 2009:
Furthermore, blacks are no longer considered a minority. And in response to her being a “dark skin” woman, she is not. She’s darker than he is but what does it matter? They apparently are a happy family, so we should be happy for them, and worry about our own relationships. Who we date is our preference. True love knows know boundaries. That includes, race, location, financial situation, and etc.
Comment by Ms Yvette on 18 February 2009:
Let it go ALREADY……
Comment by AFGurl3 on 18 February 2009:
Glock: You have some very interesting and intriguing views. But you also have some very shallow and contradicting ones also. At the end of the day, biracial or no, Barack Obama is still a black man. The only biracial man that says he isn’t black is Tiger Woods and he’s dumb because he’s darker than President Obama. #2, The reason police brutality on blacks is reported is because many times when it happens, it is indeed a white officer, and they get nothing but a slap on the wrist. Yet if a black officer does the same act, they are ready to suspend him from the force or put him on desk duty. Recall the white officer that pepper sprayed a 14 year old black female (caught on his dash camera) for being out past her curfew. Why did he do it? We don’t know because he declined to be interviewed. Odd huh? Some (not all) white officers do pull over blacks and hispanics because they are just that. I do agree with you on the racism statement though. You most certainly do not have to be white to be racist. There are different levels of racism in EVERY race, whether you’re black, white, puerto rican, mexican, indian, or asian. In my defense, I’m not bashing you however, I do believe you need to agree to disagree.
Losha, AMEN. The soldiers that are overseas are getting shot at no matter what color they are. Overseas nobody cares all they see is an American soldier. And indeed it is astouding how racist some people truly are on this site. Truth of the matter is, they are close-minded individuals that may never learn. Then again some of the comments that they make are probably comments that they make when they sit around at home with their families. Shallow and sad, but true. This site is supposed to bring us all together. We ALL share common views. We ALL enjoy or would enjoy dating outside of our race.
Endya: I remember that documentary, and it IS true. We ALL are of AFRICAN ANCESTRY no matter how some people think otherwise. Same with the question as to whether Jesus Christ was white or black. The same dumb people ask that question. If these people read their Bibles and paid attention is history class, they would know that he was neither. He was of Hebrew descent.
Comment by Ms Yvette on 18 February 2009:
Hats off to you AFGurl3…..points well taken….I can appreciated…Educated Women….Losha, I like what you had to say as well….
Comment by Glock on 18 February 2009:
Cocosan you are correct. When I said “your neck of the woods” I was referring to where she lives, since I have no idea where she lives. However the only reason I got bashed for it was because we were having a disagreement, and I’m a white man. Whenever WE (white men) use generic terms such as “neck of the woods”, “you people” blah blah blah, it is usually assumed to have “racist overtones”. Whites get it all the time. The only reason I am explaining it to you is because you gave me the benefit of the doubt earlier today in your post. I wanted to tell you that that IS what I meant. Other wise I could care less what some of these people think here.
As you also can see that I am the subject of the chat rooms today (at least judging from a post above) and apparently it was concluded that I assumed Losha is black (in what post did I say that) and that she is from the ghetto (again, where did I say that or even HINT at that?) I would ask a question myself and say to these people why would they ASSUME anything on my behalf? Is it because I am white that they assumed these things? As I have indicated above that whites get this treatment ALL the time. Usually whites cow down and get defensive, apologetic and try to make immediate amends to the one offended because they assume that they must have said or done something wrong because they are told they did something wrong. I am not one of these people.
What’s more, is that some people on this site think that I hold racist views, should check themselves because it is they who jump to conclusions because they hear something they don’t like and assume it’s got to be racism.
Comment by Ms Yvette on 18 February 2009:
Ladies, please rise above Glock comments….read them and then dimissed them….You should not let anyone ruffle ur feathers on this website…it’s ALL good….
Comment by Glock on 18 February 2009:
LOL, yes by all means rise above them…
Comment by Ms Yvette on 18 February 2009:
It’s all good my friend…..have nothing negative to say….AfroRomance has been good to me….Met my Sweetheart here and it’s been nothing but Good times…lol
Comment by Cocosan on 18 February 2009:
I believe this is far more significant than one man’s comments. I see this as just another example as to why many blacks have difficulties interacting with other races. In my opinion, blacks frequently jump to conclusions and engage in the mob mentality to prove a point. The true concern (at least for me) is that everyone be able to engage in intelligent dialogue which frequently consists of spirited, often opposed debate. Instead of thinking of it as ruffled feathers, how about we consider it as what it is - dialogue! Everyone is entitled to their opinion whatever it is and that opinion is valid and should be respected. Defending one’s right to hold an opposing opinion from what may (at the time) appear to be the popular opinion is one of the key benefits of citizenship in this country - freedom of speech. Hopefully we can get to the point at which we realize that different (whether it is skin color, religion, politics, or even an opinion) does NOT equate to wrong - it’s just different!
Comment by Ms Yvette on 19 February 2009:
UR RIGHT…..I AGREE 100%….
Comment by Cocosan on 19 February 2009:
Thank you MsYvette! I am happy you have found your Sweetheart! Send your leftover good fortune my way so I can smile like you! Take Care & Be Blessed!
Comment by hawkercat on 19 February 2009:
I want to fully agree with Foxybrwnskn and Layla32.
And some one else I think who said the subject of color and it’s influence and lack there of needs to be a ‘nonissue’. The best way to accomplish that would be to not dwell on it and to focus on the person.
The commentator who said the first lady was very very dark is an idiot. And I loved the comment by someone who said maybe the President is not attracted to white women. Ya know, … different strokes for different folks. People are operating out of a programed mind by society and the many forms of media. White is not better.
Now I apologize for commenting on color when I just said it should not be a focus.
My vision for the future is a society where it is not mentioned or a concern. People have preferences in all things,like flavors of candy. The idea that we CAN all just get along is what attracted me to this site… Well, that and many men of color as that is my preference.
I was married for 23 years to a great guy and felt so at home in black culture I don’t want to be away from it.
Comment by Ms Yvette on 19 February 2009:
Good morning! Except the fact….We are not going to be to everyones liking…..I recd my share of No’s and I sent my share of No’s…I am a firm believer… There is someone for everyone…It might take a little more time for the Chemistry/connection…For some reason…it happens when we least expect it…In my being patience…it HAPPEN…P.S. Lady’s be sure not to settle…make sure you do ur homework…get to know him inside out….and develop a solid friendship and go from there…
Comment by homesteader on 19 February 2009:
Oh yes the President sure nuff got him a Pretty First Lady
Comment by NOPLAYER on 20 February 2009:
homesteader I agree the First Lady is attractive, graceful, smart and she carries herself like a the true queen that she is.
What more could a man want in a woman?
I’ve still don’t understand the fuss about her not being very light or white. He married the woman he felt would bring out the best in him and inspire him to greatness.
I’d advise men to go after the woman that motivates him and makes him feel he can take on the world.
Comment by lala2qz_ on 20 February 2009:
I LOVE your comment AFgirl, it addressed everything so adequately your points are well taken.
I agree with Layla.
I’m gonna mention that I think it’s horrid that certain people want to lump all white people in the same category(cough cough *GLOCK* cough cough). When your skin is just that, your skin. The stereotyping that he is doing is wrong. We’re all one people and to say “us white guys” and other certain things in his ramblings just goes to show how high his level of thinking is. If he’s really into the thinking that every disagreement he receives is about the black people keeping the “white man’s” opinion down; I find that extremely saddening.
Comment by NOPLAYER on 20 February 2009:
lala2qz
You are correct it’s not about the color of the skin but it has everything to do with the THINKING of the person.
What’s in the heart comes out of the mouth or in this case the key board.
” It is what it is “
Comment by Ms Yvette on 20 February 2009:
Good morning homesteader, I always enjoy reading ur comments…Very positive….not to take away from anyone….Ladies ur comments are GREAT aw well….
HAPPY FRIDAY TO ALL!!!!!!!
Comment by Glock on 21 February 2009:
Lala2qz, was that a complete coherent thought?
I notice that no one has said anything to Cocosan? Noboady has based her or attacked her in anyway. To quote Cocasan, “blacks frequently jump to conclusions and engage in the mob mentality to prove a point.” Would that qualify as a “stereotype”? Hmmm… Now if I had said that would it be wrong for me to assume I would be tarred and feathered for it? Is it because she is black that she can make that claim and not be attacked? Please explain the obvious double standard…
Ah, yes NOPLAYER, I stand behind what I say.
Comment by Esmayali on 21 February 2009:
As a matter of fact, I did post a response to Cocosan. However, for some unknown reason it was filtered and was not posted or maybe my response would have started a blaze. Since, we are back on the topic: on February 17, Cocosan wrote a comment addressing talnwhite & Glock, stating: “don’t think for a minute that Nenalinda speaks for all (or even many) black women! Remember-that is HER personal opinion. Today I say to Cocosan: speak for yourself.
I personally did not like some of the comments posted by talnwhite and Glock I found them offensive. I also find that Cocosan is bias and jumps to conclusion. She was annoyed by Nenalinda’s comments to the point that she made statements questioning Nenalinda’s womanhood. It seemed that she did not appreciate Nenalinda’s comments towards Glock and talnwhite.
Point is, Cocosan obviously does not speak for the majority of black women. She did not speak for them on February 17 and certainty she is not speaking for them now. She speaks for herself as a bias Black woman. Furthermore, I would have appreciated if she had use actual statistic and not her opinions when she stated that “blacks frequently jump to conclusions” and “engage in mob mentality” As oppose to white, Chinese, Indian???
So, to answer you question. Yes I did respond. However, it was not posted.
Comment by homesteader on 21 February 2009:
I remember it was all in the number of ducks . Alas positive thoughts are what makes Date Ting fun , Negative thoughts are just another way to say ” No ” . The sun shines Brightest on a Happy day . Let us place some numbers on topics ; Who wants to disagree _ _ _ Who wants to Agree _ _ _ and who does not give a Hoot _ _ _ . I for my Vote really do not give a Hoot , so now we got 0 - 0 _ 1
Comment by Glock on 21 February 2009:
Actually the question was for Lala2qz. But am I to assume you are the spokeswoman for the black female majority? Since you stated:
“Point is, Cocosan obviously does not speak for the majority of black women.”
Or was that your opinion versus an actual statistic?
Comment by Esmayali on 21 February 2009:
Comment by Glock on 21 February 2009:
I could poll the entire website, that still does not represent the entire black female population. As you know there are many variables to stats. However many posts that are on this particular thread disagreeing with me, I have received just as many private emails from black women that say they agree with me. So much for polls.
As far as “stealing” the show, that certainly wasn’t my intention. I am just one man speaking his opinion that upset some people here. I will never be intimidated not to speak my mind however controversial it may be.
Comment by Cocosan on 21 February 2009:
I must admit I am somewhat invigorated by the lastest postings!
I do not apologize for any of my statements made during any of my posts - I have no reason to. I believe in what I say and I stand behind it. I do believe that perhaps the addition or deletion of certain words in key places may (or may not) have caused some readers to interpret my statements in a manner inconsistent with the intended meaning.
As I stated before, there is nothing wrong with intelligent dialogue and spirited debate. If someone is unclear about another’s statements, simply as that person for clarification. Validation trumps assumption any day.
Stating something as fact does not make it a fact. (In my opinion) we all would benefit by entering into dialogue realizing that opinions will be verbalized as such and facts will be clearly identified with supporting data (ie stats).
I will never be able to speak for all black women. I have no reason to disrespect anyone - male or female. I do take offense to people stating something as fact when it is really their interpretation of a statement. However, I also realize that if that person has a need to do so, there is nothing I can do about it and the FACT remains that my authentic statement is still just that - mine.
I spend many of my formative years living in Europe and am still amazed at the difference in culture between the US and Europe. I remember listening to people energetically verbalizing their opinions, disagreeing with each other and laughing the entire time! That is spirited debate and intelligent dialogue - in my opinion.
At the end of the day or at the end of reading one another’s comments, we will still be who we are but richer for having heard what someone else had to say.
I believe all dialogue enriches or enlightens me in some way - regardless of who says it or what is said.
I hope that at some point, we can freely and respectfully express our individual opinions. Until then I respectfully suggest that some people might want to try a different site…just my opinion!
Comment by lola3 on 21 February 2009:
Glock… I love how you stand by your point! And everyone else on this site that is hating on him…please learn to read. He did NOT write anything racist whatsoever. Apparently, your reading and taking in what YOU want and not what is actually written. Seriously, some of the women sound more racist than anything Glock has said..STOP IT!!
We can agree to disagree and move on. I enjoy a good debate but wow, some of you just take it too far!
Glock…Smiles!!
Comment by Cocosan on 21 February 2009:
lola, I agree with you - some of this has just gone too far! A good debate is a stimulating as well as enlightening event - but it has to be seen as just that - an event!
Comment by Esmayali on 21 February 2009:
Glock ! You are still the man of the hour. So, are you interviewing for spokeswomen? :o)
Comment by homesteader on 22 February 2009:
Females and Males will always interpret , thoughts of others . With how they think they see what others are thinking with written word . Alas what you read , was not what I really said . Sometimes ! God Bless you all . As I have fun reading topics / and I learn from what others say , never too old to Enjoy . Difference of opinion is why we comment here on topics , Who cares who is correct or incorrect . Communication is the first step to Learning about the Good people here at Afro-Romance .
Comment by VA_SongBird on 22 February 2009:
Amen, Homesteader… that says it all…. it’s a free world. Your opinion is as important as mine. It’s wonderful we all have the opportunity to speak our mind openly.
Comment by Glock on 22 February 2009:
Thank you Lola3 for your kind words, as you said, I do stick by what I say. Cocosan, again you make another great point about discussion, opinions, ideas and the freedom/ importance of being able to debate them. As can be seen here, often times people will resort to hyperbole during their diatribes because that is what stirs emotions and often times has the effect of “rallying the troops” to their defense.
As you said Lola3, and I have asked repeatedly exactly what I said that was “racist” but as of yet no one has taken me up on it. The closet stab that anyone has taken was the “neck of the woods” thing, which was laughable at best.
This whole attack was started because of my post about Hatsheput’s statement (which apparently has been removed). I disagreed with her and pointed out the points that I disagreed about to her. Then the onslaught began LOL. Talnwhite stepped in and made some very valid arguments about voting patterns and other issues dealing with race, then he and I were attacked as being racist! LOL I just don’t get it. Neither one of us called anyone the “N” word but simply expressed our views and opinions. Do people really think that the topic of race will never come up in an interracial relationship?? Is this how people are going to handle their disagreements with their other half when an issue about race comes up? We learn from others opinions, at least try to understand their experiences.
Lastly, no Esmayali, I am not running for spokeswoman. I would get fired my first hour that is, if I made it out of the interview process! I’ll leave that up to you beautiful ladies.
Take care.
Comment by Cocosan on 22 February 2009:
It is my hope that everyone who participated in or simply read this blog goes away having experienced something positive. Maybe some of us heard an opinion different from our own or were exposed to a new level of communication. Maybe the experience just allowed some to get something off their chest.
Race is a topic that will be with us always. People who are involved in interracial relationships deal with it all the time - at least that has been my experience. Yes, outsiders can be cruel but I have found that a significant amount of that cruelty was based on ignorance. By “ignorance” I mean lack of (or negative) understanding, exposure or experience. I must admit, initially I had some difficulty with the continuous bombardment of comments etc. and there were some heated discussions between myself and my partner as a result. It was not until I realized that I was reacting on an emotional level (I felt hurt that people would treat my partner and myself with such disrespect for no reason other than our skin colors were different) rather than on an intellectual level that it was no longer an issue for me as a person or as part of an interracial relationship. I also had to realize that many of the people who disrespected my partner and I were doing so out of emotion, past experiences and their perception of what we represented. I actually dated a black man several years after the interracial relationship ended and he asked me if I would ever date a white man and when I told him about my past relationship, he actually launched into a lecture about the “Willy Lynch Letter” and how I had allowed myself to be used to pass on the tactics outlined by Lynch in his letters and therefore I was personally contributing to the emasculation of the black male. Later I found out his wife had left him and was now married to a white man. That was his experience but I see the connection between his lived experience and his behavior towards me. I did not agree with his behavior etc. but I understood the cause.
Life will never be perfect as there are no perfect players. My goal is to enjoy it to the fullest - imperfections and all! I select my battles carefully and race, especially in my personal relationship, doesn’t even show up on my radar. We can talk about it but there will be no battles.
Just expressing my $5 (allowing for inflation) lol
Comment by homesteader on 22 February 2009:
I surely agree with ‘ coming from my neck of the woods ” . As was taught that meant the region one is from , in my case Yankee comes to mind - when I think of neighbors comments , I will let them know that my homestead is in Texas and as long as I am home / I am Texan . Alas one has no choice where they are born American / Southern bye the grace of God . Call me what you wish , Just never late for Dinner
Comment by Cocosan on 22 February 2009:
Homesteader, you are a refreshing breeze! I enjoy reading your comments. Thank you for your sense of humor and transparency!
Comment by rarestgold on 22 February 2009:
Wow, I can’t believe how long this conversation/debate has been going on. This just goes to show that race/color is a highly volatile subject. But regardless, it’s a topic that we should all be able to freely discuss and move on from. It’s how we learn. I hope that everyone who has participated in this blog has taken something away from the blogs. BTW Homesteader - what time is dinner?
Comment by Ms Yvette on 22 February 2009:
People are not taking sides….all have expressed there points and opinions….few people went farther than others….and trust me…WE ALL SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN SOMETHING OUT OF THE DISCUSSION…NOW, CAN WE ALL MOVED FOWARD WITH MEETING THE WONDERFUL MEN & WOMEN HERE AT AFROMANCE AND POSSIBLY MAKING THAT CHEMISTRY/CONNECTION????? P.S. IM WITH YOU RARESTGOLD….HOMESTEADER- WHAT TIME IS DINNER???? LOL
Comment by Ms Yvette on 22 February 2009:
COCOSAN, I AGREE WITH YOU….I COME ON TO SEE WHAT HOMESTEADER HAS TO SAY….HE KEEPS IT REAL AND ENTERTAINING FOR A FEW OF THE LADIES ON HERE….P.S. NOT TO TAKE AWAY FROM GLOCK….YOU HAVE SAID SOME VERY INTERESTING THINGS AS WELL….I CAN ONLY TELL THE TRUTH AND SPEAK FOR MYSELF…..I HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO THE LIGHT ABOUT A LOT OF COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE HERE….THAT SAYING “KNOWLEDGE IS POWER” YES IT IS….SHALL WE PUT IT TO GOOD USE…WHATEVER WAS NEGATIVE…LETS TURN IT AROUND AND MAKE IT SOMETHING POSITIVE…LOL..
Comment by Cocosan on 22 February 2009:
Thanks MsYvette! Glock, you can most certainly hold your own and I don’t believe anyone can take away from that! Homesteader, what time is dinner?
Ria, next topic please!
Comment by homesteader on 22 February 2009:
All you Beautiful Ladies , are here for what my Ladie and I have found . Just to be on this Date Ting site shows we are all open to change , some are slower than others because of the daily experiences they see Happening . Still there is not a one who feels any different than We do . The only trouble being that some do not care to use other words when they write . If you do not wish to see them . Describe your feelings in a neutral way , We sure nuff know that others dislike what We have or are jealous of us . We do knot have any need to worry about their problems as we have our own . We vote in all elections , when I vote that means that a person who wins has to do the gov’t business . That is beyond my abilities . When we have a President who brought his own Pretty Family to the White House . The topic is will We think he did a Fine job in the first 4 years and want him back in office 4 more . We do the same daily activities as all others , Open your minds n ‘ hearts . My wife says I eat all the time . Cheerios and raisins peanuts on the side potatoes and angel hair pasta with corned beef .
Comment by homesteader on 22 February 2009:
And looking back , it seems we all met some friends at this discussion
Comment by Ms Yvette on 22 February 2009:
OMG-HOMESTEADER, UR MARRIED OR USE TO BE MARRIED??? NO DISRESPECT TO MRS. HOMESTEADER…IF YOU ARE…P.S. I WAS KIDDING ABOUT DINNER….LOL..SHE’S A VERY LUCKY WOMAN TO HAVE A MAN BY HER SIDE SUCH AS YOU….LOL….LOL….LOL….LOL….LOL
Comment by homesteader on 22 February 2009:
Yes you are correct on all three questions , I am married . Used to be also as I received training on marriage from two failed marriages / nobody is perfect - alas I hope that I have learned from my mistakes [ 8 years , 23 years ] . Almost two years with Mrs Homesteader till death do us part and I am a Very very very Lucky man . Enjoy your evening meal , We shall enjoy ours at a different location . Hehehehe
Comment by forreal on 22 February 2009:
Why is it now that people want to label a person of mixed race mixed when it’s convenient? As a black married women I am so proud to see Michelle Obama. maybe this will prove to all these ignorant brothers that they dont need a white women on their arms to make it. Maybe this will show black men to love who they are and stop all the self hatred and great love they have for the white man. Which is why they love for their white skinned curly head kids to look like. Alot of black men are just plain ignorant.
Comment by NOPLAYER on 23 February 2009:
forreal, PLEASE, GET REAL !
Glock, you’re right, by all means stand by your opinion. At the end of the day it’s just “YOUR OPINION” ! I don’t have no beef with you!
cocosan you’re right, Europeans can have serious debate while cracking up the whole time and when you add the beer or wine into the mix, it really gets comical.
Since 1995 I’ve been stationed or I’ve lived and worked in Europe and when it comes to race relations it’s not as crazy as it is in America.
Life is too short, so live it to the fullest!
Comment by goin4it on 25 February 2009:
Michelle Obama is not a “dark skin” Black woman. Barack Obama identifies himself as Black. Identity is not what others say one is; identity is established by the individual. Barack embraces both his parents side of the family. His life experience, and self-identity is Black. So yes he is the 1st Black president.
Comment by Marion on 24 March 2009:
Well colour is only on the outside. I am white and happily married to my husband who is “black” his colour did not come into it when I fell in love with him. Even though my family are not really happy about it. It is my life!!!
Comment by homesteader on 24 March 2009:
Marion , tis sad to loss family n’ friends . This is Your Life and his together , be Happy . I lost some who I thought were friends , We are still Happy together .
Comment by Jabali on 25 March 2009:
The race thing again, huh. Would I be kind of naive to think that Obama was elected for his abilities and not the colour of his wife? Oh well, since I’m not American, I guess I’ll never know.
Comment by homesteader on 25 March 2009:
President Obama was elected by the Majority of the American voters - Opinions . A race has been run and the Best man won .
Comment by Glock on 25 March 2009:
Actually that is not true. The majority of American voters voted for someone else, whether it was McCain ( who got 49% and the other third party candidates who got around 6%. And I seriously doubt the best man won.
Comment by homesteader on 25 March 2009:
I may not be correct , Really don’t give a Hoot . President Obama / Holds the office . You can argue with him as to the Best man winning . Seems he crossed the Finish line with the Title ” Commander in Chief .” THAT’S A FACT , JACK . Read the newspaper , watch television and if you are correct , I will listen as you tell me Who else it was who won . I didn’t run myself cause of my short leg . And I voted for Hillary Clinton . Because she had 8 years prior experience in the White House . THAT’S A FACT JACK .
Comment by Glock on 25 March 2009:
Ahhhhh, ok? Were you talking to me, or Jack?
Comment by Esmayali on 26 March 2009:
Is this a platform for romance or politics?
Comment by Mrs. Moses on 26 March 2009:
Well for one i am a black women brown skin what ever , let me say this i LOVE the SKIN i am in would not even go a shade up. To me people that don’t like COLOR is because they don’t have one . Sorry you can’t it me with that races S**t. Black and LOVE IT!
Comment by Jabali on 28 March 2009:
Good question Esmayali. Good question. I hope we all get a good answer to that. Kudos to you Mrs. Moses. As a wise man once said, you can only love others if you love yourself first!
Comment by BrownB09 on 6 April 2009:
Barack Obama, a man, is a microcosm of diverse elements that contributed to him being qualified as president of the United States! His wife, a woman, no matter what the color of her skin is, the first lady. It saddens me that people focus on things that don’t matter, especially when our status in the world has declined terribly. Overall, I believe President Obama has good intentions and wish him the best!
Comment by onemill2 on 7 April 2009:
How did it become political. people this is a site to find your true love.
Comment by QueenV on 12 April 2009:
Oh, okay, lagbaja61, so mainly what you’re bragging about is that Europeans are lazy, don’t want to work, want to sit around and let the government take care of them. Quite an accomplishment. While Americans value hard work and self motivation, and feel they should be self-sufficient. Yeah, I can see why you feel superior. Oh, and you can travel a short distance and encounter different languages. How wonderful. This means that individually you are all geographically small and insignificant. You had to give up your individuality and band together to try to regain any power whatsoever. But that doesn’t matter as long you speak more than one language, of course. And real football? We don’t know real football? You don’t know what a real man’s sport is. Just running around in shorts and kicking a ball. Oh, yeah. Tennis, anyone? That’s so he-man. I find it so amusing when non-Americans try so hard to cover their sense of inferiority with so-called “insults.”
Comment by Bieta on 14 April 2009:
Actually, no one can find any real proof that Obama edited anything on Law Review. A lot of documentation from that period in his life has gone missing.
Plus, if I were to say to you “I went to Harvard,therefore I am smarter than you”..you’d be pretty angered. So I don’t see how you can tell me Obama is smart, or smarter than me because he went to Harvard. There aren’t that many geniuses in the world and its funy that so many people buy the into the prestige. I can assure you as a harvard student with a legacy that not everyone who goes here is brilliant.
but I wouldn’t debate him, I don’t debate.
Comment by homesteader on 14 April 2009:
onemill2 ; You are Correct , this is a Date Ting site and it is a Marvelous , Magnificently Successful Site for Us . The Question at the top of the Page / Holds no water with the picture of Our President and his wife . RE-READ THE FIRST SENTENCE - They were already married / Dispite all the contrivance as to President Obamas Heritage in other comments . They are already married , so how can it be possible that after his Success he wish to marry inter-racially ?
Comment by homesteader on 14 April 2009:
A MUTATION OF FACT , brought about with a picture with the Authors intensions very clear to Mislead opinions . Poor Blog full of untruth to begin with .
Comment by homesteader on 14 April 2009:
Street Smarts / Common Sense , the American way for those of us that could not afford University Education . ” The School of Hard Knocks . ” Once We Learn to Love all others as We Love ourselves , Life will change for each of Us . You have to do this for yourself / no one else can do it for you .
Comment by afro18 on 27 May 2009:
i’m sorry but i disagree with the blog, that she isn’t DARK skined shes just brown texture, dark skin would be with someone like model alex wekks
i just throught to clear that out.
Comment by MrMarques72 on 11 June 2009:
I totally disagree with this post. Michelle Obama is not a “very, very dark-skinned” woman. Michelle Obama does not break the aesthetic of what is considered “acceptable blackness” in the black community. She was not the kid in elementary school getting picked on because black folk thought she was “too black”. She is clearly a brown-skinned woman and for that she could be called “dark-skinned” but on the scale of how dark persons of African and Indian descent can get, she is not “very, very dark”.
Comment by allikat on 22 July 2009:
to me, marriage is about love…the only two people that know how any certain relationship is are the two people in that relationship…all others are just spectators…if those two people love each other, why are WE worried about their skin color??
Comment by Shotgun007 on 3 August 2009:
Ria, you probably should come up with better subject titles for these blogs.
Majority of black men DO marry black women, it’s not “exotic” or “popular” or “anything new”, so we don’t see it in the media.
Glock- One thing that I’ve noticed about your post and I’ve only been a member maybe for 2-3 weeks now, is that you appear to have a VERY consistent stance on any given subject matter. Reading most of your blog responses, I always tend to see a strong central argument, not always an opinion or just ranting. Most importantly I never see you insult the opponent. For the record, nothing mentioned in your posts implied racism. Fact (in my opinion).
Looking at the “shallow” issue of Barack being biracial or black, well it goes back to what VSongbird said, it appears that he has been drafted as black, however the man is biracial (meaning 1 parent Caucasian, 1 parent Kenyan/African). It’s definitely no issue for me though.
Some of you have mentioned the Presidency & the election etc and what not, speaking briefly on that topic; it’s my humble opinion that if there had been a much stronger Republican (someone other than McCain) and Palin, the outcome would have been different. But that’s history. I also think that the Democrats would have won regardless based on the amount of dissatisfied Bush supporters and the blatant message of “politics as ususal” coming from the RNC.
Take Care everyone!!