Civil rite denied!

Posted by Ria, 29 May 09

civil right deniedExpected? Shocking? The decision handed down on Tuesday by the California Supreme Court on upholding the same-sex marriage ban takes away rights of homosexual citizens in this country. Don't they pay taxes? Don't they follow laws of the land? Aren't they outstanding citizens? So why was it hard to give them their well earned fundamental right - the right to marry - by virtue of being citizens in a country they live in and support?

Imagine if someone took away your right to marry the person of your choice ... Much as we can't equate this to interracial marriages, can you imagine what would have happened if majority white voters had decided by the proposition to ban interracial marriage?

It is a sad day in America ... Its sad that people can be given the legal and political power to just vaporize other citizens' rights away. :-(

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  1.   whurr says:
    Posted: 24 Aug 09

    Its my kid's first day of school tomorrow. They are tossing and turning and can't sleep out of anxiety. I am printing out this blog and forcing them to read it. Not for the topic or controversial posts... so they will fall asleep easier! Dang y'all can type!

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  2.   Glock says:
    Posted: 22 Aug 09

    YoYo, the example of Hillary Clinton is your justification? Are you kidding me?? That is an example of how lost our American public is when it comes the Constitution of this country. The Constitution of this country lists the responsibilities of the federal government. The main responsibility is to protect the citizens from enemies and to protect the rights of the citizens. The Secretary of State has no power to pass any law upon the citizens of this country. The U.N. passes resolutions with votes of "appointed" ambassador's who then try to "enforce" the resolutions. Say for instance the U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. votes with the rest of the ambassador's of other countries to confiscate all guns in the U.S. that are owned by our citizens. How are we to redress this grievance to our government? We can't because the Constitution provides no provision for a "United Nations". Nor do we elect the ambassador to the U.N. We do however elect our congressman and can take our complaint to Him/her. You cannot, with a straight face, say that 300,000,000 people would go to the ambassador to complain. That is not redressing anything. That would be a mockery of representative government. Just as Obama is appointing (currently 33) czars. Where in the constitution does it authorize him to do this? We didn't elect them. They are supposedly in charge of different areas of the economy, they have no real power. Try again...

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  3.   homesteader says:
    Posted: 06 Aug 09

    Go ; Mrs. Hillary Clinton / always a Winner in My eyes .

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  4.   homesteader says:
    Posted: 05 Aug 09

    Last evening , my wife put the movie " the Patriot " with Steven Seagal in to watch . After seeing Ennis, Montana in a state of emergency after toxic chemicals were released by an upset landowner . I listened carefully to the beliefs of one who Disagreed with Gov't Laws . Came to the conclusion / that others tend to believe in similiar form , Right here on these Blog Topics . The Rite of Marriage / bye Decision of the California Supreme Court was Denied . I ask as a Commentor on these Blog Topics / Will they ever worry about " World Peace " ? Sorry that is another Movie Topic with Sandra Bullock titled " Miss Congeniality." LOL . Shotgun007 ; Yes I am willing to Clarify that I indeed see it as I wrote it . Just a Retired " King of the Road "

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  5.   miri2008 says:
    Posted: 03 Aug 09

    Did say that I wouldn't post here again - guess that's why we shouldn't say such things :) For those with the 'born like this' perspective, Here's a link to what one gentleman has to say about his actual own personal experience in this area http://www.theranch.org/Do-You-Believe-That-I-Am-Able-To-Do-This.60.0.html

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  6.   yoyo99 says:
    Posted: 03 Aug 09

    A nations representatives to the UN are nominated by the National Government and/or Leader... ...just same way othe political leaders are nominated...eg Hilary Clinton wasn't democratically elected to her position... ...so those sent by a nation to the UN actually DO represent their citizens

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  7.   Shotgun007 says:
    Posted: 03 Aug 09

    Homesteader, Can you clarify the above post?

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  8.   homesteader says:
    Posted: 02 Aug 09

    Thank you I LEARNED SOMETIN ' NEW TODAY . Someone needs to start a Profile for Declaration of Security Care for " we " who house the U.N.; TO BE HONORED ACCORDINGLY BYE installation with Equal Rights as per all Countries represented there .

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  9.   Glock says:
    Posted: 29 Jul 09

    YoYo, if his Majesty Sir "Homesteader" will grant me permission to address your post....(watch, he'll make 4 posts just for that sentence). What is the purpose of the UN? Who started the UN? What is the history and the political philosophies of those who started the UN? Does the U.S not make treaties with the UN? If so who is our representation in the UN? How is he/she elected and do we have a vote? And does that election conform with the Constitution? The answer is NO. The UN does not represent the citizens of this country in protecting our rights as citizens of this country. I have difficulty understanding how you do not see this.

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  10.   homesteader says:
    Posted: 29 Jul 09

    P.S.S. Omnipresent as you say

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  11.   homesteader says:
    Posted: 29 Jul 09

    P.S. Being made in his own image / Each of Us is God

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  12.   homesteader says:
    Posted: 29 Jul 09

    Life , a Good Wife , rain and flowers in the middle of a National Preserve / Fresh Air - Trees emit Oxygen . Life after Retirement is to Enjoy / I drove at least a Million Safe Miles in My Trucking Career

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  13.   yoyo99 says:
    Posted: 28 Jul 09

    Having worked in close partnership with a number of UN agencies throughout my career, I can assure you that it is anything but a mechanism to rule the world - it plays an important role in setting standards to which sovereign countries can be held accountable. Each country has it's own constitution, but I beleive the world needs a mechanism to which countries can be held accountable, even though these standards are generally not enforceable by law. Article 16 of the UN's Declaration on Human Rights says that all human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights and have the right to marry as consenting adults. The USA is governed by it's own constitution and is perfectly entitled to ban gay marriages, I'm just asking if it is hypocritical of the USA, and a host of other member states, to ratify this declaration then deny homosexuals their right to marry. Everyone...I hope Mr Obama does his Irish forefathers proud and supports his brothers and sisters (pardon the pun...lol) to be treated as equals and give them the opprotunity to marry whom they please, regardless of race, gender, religion or political affiliation. Glock...much of what you say is intelligent and clear, I just don't see where your suspicion of the UN arises from Homesteader... i love your posts - can you send me some of whatever it is you're smoking..! bcontent2b... even God is in Hell cause he's supposed to be omnipresent, right? So if God is everywhere at the same time, then he must be in Hell as well as in Heaven, and if he's not in Hell the he's not omnipresent and therefore by definition isn't God!! Nandi...amen! Have a great weekend y'all !

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  14.   homesteader says:
    Posted: 27 Jul 09

    fkoi ; P.S. I was born here / I had no choice . LOL Naturalized Citizen / No Wants - No Warrents strickly Legal . Life , Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness . Bahhh Humbug I am Santa Claus when that time is here .

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  15.   homesteader says:
    Posted: 27 Jul 09

    The only thing that can stop one from being Happy is all in their own mind . We awoke beside each other again this morning . Free yourself / Enjoy the Day . We do . Everyday is Special , if you yourself make it like that . Smile , here in East Texas it takes three of us to get a full set of teeth / unless they plastic .

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  16.   fkoi says:
    Posted: 27 Jul 09

    Glock said it right. Happiness cannot be guaranteed. But the pursuit of it was considered an unalienable right by the founders of this experiment called the United States. Important enough to be named along with life and liberty, along with other unnamed rights. The document further states that the purpose of government, receiving their JUST powers from the consent of the governed, is to secure these rights. If we agree to being citizens, we are agreeing to the above.

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  17.   homesteader says:
    Posted: 27 Jul 09

    I found the Happiness in Our Government Documents ; By being Intelligent enough to read between the lines and Interpret in My own way / What they were trying to do . In order to free themselves from Oppression and Taxation without Representation Under constant Threat of Death from the Ruling country of their time , for the actions they put on paper . In this day and age / others ask for the Rite of Marriage in this country Built on freedom and justice for All and have been Denied . Ria ; I agree with You , it is a sad day when Happiness is taken from others who Pay their Taxes in this country .

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  18.   homesteader says:
    Posted: 27 Jul 09

    Y'all can realize / We found Happiness here on this site . I hold not any Educational Degrees in History / Alas I have lived recent history . As far as Researching the United Nations and that which they talk about . In Our small part of Texas / that wood bee the Largest waste of my time for several reasons ; 1. I am a Retired Transportation Engineer who drove 3 - 2000 model tractors - Two of these were Brand New Trucks in the year 2000 [ Shows My Quality of Service to my Company ], when I was fortunate enough to have lived through a Massive Heart Attack at the end of that year [ 12/28/00 ] and do knot care about what I cannot do anything about . It is raining here and I am spending more time on Gardens and lawncare . 2. It is Foolish to argue with one who has no more Education and knowledge of them than I do . 3. Ain't none of my business anyhows . 4. The Topic of this Blog has Totally nothing to do with the United Nations . 5. This is a Dating Site not a worldwide state of affairs Nightly News show . I came here to find a Wife / I did so - now another male Wishes to Debate something that has no Reason to even take up space on this Blog topic . God Bless those that are Seriously Looking for another . Their Choice of Sex of their partner for life is " Their Business " Mind Your Own Business and Life May find Happiness for you . Generally Speaking .

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  19.   WHURR says:
    Posted: 26 Jul 09

    I'm skurred Mommy!!

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  20.   Glock says:
    Posted: 26 Jul 09

    Where is it writtenwe have the "right to happiness" guarenteed? Hint: if you're looking for it in the constitution, you won't find it there....that's because it's not written there OR in the Declaration of Independence. That's right. However, if you look in the Declaration of Independence you'll find these words "life, liberty and the PURSUIT of Happiness". Big difference. I would also suggest that anyone who believes the UN is here to "allow countries to negotiate their problems", do alittle research into the UN. Because that is exactly what they want you to believe.

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  21.   homesteader says:
    Posted: 26 Jul 09

    Thank you ; bcontent2b / All I saw in your comment was anothers opinion . You talk of one belief and speak with another / Satan. The Devil speaks to you personally is what I gathered from your written word . At the very least / you Desire to Quote from him . God will judge in the end of each persons Life / not you as it seems to me that you have an Attitude . P.S. One should be careful who they communicate with in Life .

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  22.   bcontent2b says:
    Posted: 25 Jul 09

    I live in this system of world order that is controled by Satan, and must follow certain laws of Man, but when it comes to spiritual and moral laws, I follow the laws of my Creator. Man is corrupt because of Sin and can never fulfill what he was intended to be until the return of the King of Heaven,Jesus, who will rule with an iron rod and restore us to what we were intended to be in the first place..."Perfect Man" Here is a message for those of you who doubt. PAY ATTENTION TO THE P.S. AT THE END!!!! Letter from the Devil This can really make you think. It actually made me really mad while I was reading it, but it made me realize some things, Plus, I had to send it because of the P.S. This is deep. And I wasnt going to forward or share it, but that last lineyoull see. A LETTER TO YOU FROM SATAN I saw you yesterday as you began your daily chores. You awoke without kneeling to pray. As a matter of fact, you didnt even bless your meal, or pray before going to bed last night. You are so unthankful, I like that about you. I cannot tell you how glad I am that you have not changed your way of living, fool, you are mine. Remember, you and I have been going steady for years, and I still dont love you yet. As a matter of fact, I hate you, because I hate GOD. He kicked me out of heaven, and Im going to use you as long as possible to pay him back. You see, Fool, GOD LOVES YOU and He has great plans in store for you But you have yielded your life to me, and Im going to make your life a living hell. That way, well be together twice. This will really hurt GOD. Thanks to you, Im really showing Him whos boss in your life with all of the good times weve had. We have been . Watching dirty movies, Cursing people out, Stealing, lying, being hypocritical, fornicating, overeating, telling dirty jokes, gossiping, being judgmental, Back stabbing people, disrespecting adults, and those in leadership positions, no respect for the Church, bad attitudes. SURELY you dont want to give all this up. Come on, fool, lets burn together forever. Ive got some hot plans for us. This is just a letter of appreciation from me to you. Id like to say THANKS for letting me use you for most of your foolish life. You are so gullible, I laugh at you. When you are tempted to sin, you give in HA! HA! HA! You make me sick. SIN is beginning to take its toll on your life. You look 20 years older, and now, I need new blood. So go ahead and teach some children how to sin. All you have to do is smoke, get drunk or drink while under-aged, CHEAT, GAMBLE, GOSSIP, FORNICATE, AND LIVE BEING AS SELFISH AS POSSIBLE. Do all of this in the presence of children and they will do it too. Kids are like that. Well, Fool, I have to let you go for now. Ill be back in a couple of seconds to tempt you again. If you were smart, you would run somewhere, confess your sins, and live for GOD with what little bit of life that you have left. Its not my nature to warn anyone, but to be your age and still sinning, its becoming a bit ridiculous. Dont get me wrong, I still hate you. ITS JUST THAT YOUD MAKE A BETTER FOOL FOR CHRIST. P.S. If you love me, you wont share this

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  23.   yoyo99 says:
    Posted: 23 Jul 09

    Amen Nandi !

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  24.   Shotgun007 says:
    Posted: 23 Jul 09

    I have mixed thoughts on this issue. I find it rediculous that the Supreme Courts in CA decided to ban gay marriages thus the loss of basic rights by gay individuals. I don't know but I think this is a huge mistake for America.

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  25.   homesteader says:
    Posted: 22 Jul 09

    The Right to Happiness which is Guaranteed , United States Citizens bye the words of the Constitution has been infringed upon to many by the vote which denied the Rite of Marriage to people of the same sex . Partily for the Benefits Packages at work places . The United Nations was established in order to allow countries to Negotiate problems between each other - Not as a World ruling power .

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  26.   Nandi says:
    Posted: 22 Jul 09

    In the Loving Case, the Virginia law was shot down by the 14 amendment of the constitution that trumped the 10th amendment that allow for states to make their own law, as long as it was not hindering others consitutional right...And altbough, same sex marriages and interracial mar4riage was not mention in the making of the 14th amendment or the 10th amendment...However neither is hetorsexual marriages for that matter...However under the 14th amendment of our constitution.. Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment provides: All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. 2. 206 Va. 924, 147 S.E.2d 78 (1966). http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0388_0001_ZO.html The Constitution has always served to guarantee freedoms to Americans, never to deny them, witness the ban on the sale and consumption of alcohol--- Prohibition--- which was repealed. The Constitution, in particularly the Bill of Rights, provides Americans with freedom of religion, and forbids the establishment of a state religion, and banning same-sex marriages based upon Biblical principles is crossing that line. Affording same-sex couples the basic rights reserved to heterosexual couples will not bring the Wrath of God upon the U.S., neither did ending slavery, desegregation, or granting equal rights to women.

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  27.   Wayne330 says:
    Posted: 22 Jul 09

    Let us keep something in mind. Marriage is not a right provided by the US government so I disagree with it being stated the "right" to marry who we desire. Marriage existed long before the US Government as I am certain you know. Marriage was given from God to Man and no Government created it. If Homosexuals wish to be joined together in a union then fine but they need to come up with something that encompasses the union of members of the same sex. The name "Marriage" has never in all history encompassed members of the same sex. So do we think we are so great as to alter a practice that had stood as it is for thousands of years. I think not.

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  28.   homesteader says:
    Posted: 21 Jul 09

    Don't Bogart / Pass

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  29.   glock says:
    Posted: 21 Jul 09

    No apology needed at all. I do take it as a compliment from you. Paranoid? LOL. Call it what you want. I am only pointing that you're view of the UN is tantamount to having one's head in the sand.

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  30.   yoyo99 says:
    Posted: 21 Jul 09

    LOL.....hey mate it wasn't kool-aid I'd been drinking when I wrote all that! I was going to apologise for the name calling, but as you take them as a compliment I'd be better off not. I am anything but clueless when it comes to world affairs but I'll just leave it there. Don't be so paranoid!

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  31.   Glock says:
    Posted: 19 Jul 09

    No, I do NOT misunderstand the U.N. and I certainly do NOT underestimate it's influence! Believe me the U.N. is getting more and more influencial in the world AND the U.S. This is not a good thing. You want to talk human rights? Ok. What is the only country on the face of the earth that recognizes all human beings as having inherent rights that cannot be taken away simply because they are human? The U.S. It's based on natural law. ALL other countries believe rights come from the government and thus can be granted or taken away. What the U.N. is attempting to do is convince the world that it's benevolence is genuine and that the U.N. is looking out for us. If it is so concerned about people through out the world, where was it in 1994 Rwanda? There is a prime example of it's incompetance. The U.N. was only set up to be the world government. It has only recently begun a huge power grab. Only two countries have not ratified the U.N. convention on the rights of the child? So that means China, Russia, Cuba, and Iran have? Hmmmm, why don't you ask the citizens of those countries how their "human rights" are working out for them...LOL By the way, you do realize that those "civilized" countries through out the world, including the ones I just mentioned will have direct influence over your life if this country ever succumbs to the U.N. dominance. How do you think that is going to work out for you. No more having inherent rights by your creator just because you are a human being. No more constitutional protections. Your rights will be decided by the world court. So your little names you want to sprinkle down on me only reflects how little YOU know about what's going on in the world. Of course you won't realize it until it's to late. But I'll take your names calling with pleasure. Coming from you, it's actually a compliment. Drink some more kool-aid. But the next time you shoot your mouth off about something your clueless about, do alittle research first. That way you won't look so foolish.

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  32.   yoyo99 says:
    Posted: 19 Jul 09

    You entirely misunderstand the UN, and underestimate it influence... ...your comment just illustrates the typical, narrow minded, blinkered world view of the average american citizen and shows just how far behind the rest of the world the US is in protecting and promoting human rights (some might say how far ahead in abusing them)... ...only 2 countries have failed to ratify the UN convention on the rights of the child...the USA and Somalia - says it all!

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  33.   Glock says:
    Posted: 17 Jul 09

    In regards to the U.N., who cares what the U.N. ratifies? The UN does not control the U.S. And believe me, you don't want the UN to have any influence over the U.S. in any way. We are supposed to be under the U.S. Constitution and nothing more. The U.N. stands for nothing more than world governance and controling the world population. Anyone who disagrees has not done their research or payed any attention to what's going on in the world. So, the U.N. has no influence over gay "civil rights in this country.

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  34.   yoyo99 says:
    Posted: 16 Jul 09

    I went to watch the new movie 'Bruno' last night...it is very very funny and also a powerful social commentary...I recommend to all on this blog

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  35.   bellara says:
    Posted: 15 Jul 09

    yoyo i agree with ur first paragraph=> heterosexuality or heterosexuality are choices we make. no pickle headed doctor or so called expert can tell me other wise. we cant chose our race, gender, or intangible things that come with life. but we can chose who we are sexually attracted to just like some of us on here are choosing which race they'd rather date. so it ticks me off when a homosexual opens his/her mouth to say he/she were born that way like seriously? sofia:u didnt wake up and chose to be straight. u've acknowledged the existence of men and women and decided that u are attracted to men so if been gay is not a choice what is it...madness?disease? curse? we all know its neither of those so lets be real homosexuals made that choice.

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  36.   bellara says:
    Posted: 15 Jul 09

    i agree w/miss california=> marriage is btwn adam and eve not adam and steve BUT i think the gov't shld leave homosexuals alone because its becoming an over rated and annoying issue. its not much abt having their rites denied its more about hate. young generations are growing up hating homosexuals because society is portraying them as God forsaken creatures. who are we to pass judgment on them or treat them with such hate and immoral behavior. there are more serious issues out there that needs to be focused on such us homelessness, crime rate reduction, the sick, the needy, the elderly, disease fighting and so on. so its rather too pointless to prolong this issue=>live and let live! so in other words let God be the judge.

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  37.   yoyo99 says:
    Posted: 15 Jul 09

    Has the USA ratified Article 16 of the UN Convention on Human Rights, which asserts an individuals right to marry? If so, is it not then hypocritical to ratify the agreement then deny the right to homosexuals?

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  38.   Glock says:
    Posted: 15 Jul 09

    Peteone, although I agree with your first paragraph, I have to disagree with at least part of your second. The reason there is no provision in the constitution dealing with same sex marriage is because the constitution deals with what the federal government's responsibilities are. That's it. The 9th amendment to the constitution states "The enumeration in the constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. The framers believed that these types of issues or anything else not specifically mentioned in the constitution should be something for the several states to decide for themselves. The framers believed that our rights were limitless, as long as we did not infringe upon the rights of others. That is why same sex marriage is not mentioned in the constitution nor is interracial marriage mentioned either.

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  39.   peteone says:
    Posted: 15 Jul 09

    On the issue of same sex marriage one must look to the Constitution for wisdom and guidance since this document forged 222 years ago (September 17, 1787, by the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, PA) is the foundational document and therefore judicial and moral philosophy for our Judeo-Christian constitutional republic. We know that the Founding Fathers (FF) were predominantly evangelical Christian and were thus influenced more greatly by the Bible than any other document when pondering the many fine points of the Constitution. Nowhere in the Bible does God condone homosexual behavior (while He does love gays and lesbians as much as any of us who are sinners), so it's logical to assume that the FF's opinion on the matter of same sex marriage would have been one that paralleled the teachings of the Bible on the issue of homosexuality. Having said that, there's absolutely NO constitutional provision and no case law precedence in American legal history to support the notion that same sex marriage is a "civil right". So for the original poster to title their message "Civil rite denied!" is very misleading and completely untrue in terms of the constitutionality of same sex marriage. The brutally honest truth is that there is NO guaranteed "civil right" for two people of the same gender to get married. Thus, it's not a mandate of the State to force it on people if they in a public referendum (California's Prop. 8) as a majority, vote against recognizing it. No one with any heart or brain wants to deny anyone basic civil rights; however, our laws must be based on the Constitution and not on emotions, feelings or whatever may be "popular" in the pop-culture, or whatever is politically correct at the time. And even more important to consider, the Creator of the universe, God Almighty has said that marriage is only reserved for a man and a woman. (Genesis 2:18,23-24; Matthew 19:6; Ephesians 5:22-23).

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  40.   miri2008 says:
    Posted: 15 Jul 09

    I appreciate Kristent's reminder that the discussion points are being debated and opposed - not the individuals making the points. I've seen a number of other blogs that could benefit from this reminder : ) Here's my last post on this topic. I have made my perspective on this topic pretty clear, and I stand by that. HOWEVER, I also want to make it equally clear that although I do not agree with what I perceive to be the choice of a gay lifestyle, I am in no way opposed to gay people. I see all people as human beings deserving of respect, dignity, autonomy, and the right to peaceful existence free of harrassment. Myself, I believe that true inner peace and the ability to spread that to others comes from a personal relationship and connectedness to God. This is what I wish for everyone. I don't believe in dealing with people from a place of harshness and judgement, but from a place of love. I see my responsibility in the world as trying to care for and help others, and promote peace. I leave the judging to God, as he told us that he's the only one who can execute judgment righteously. SO... to all my fellow bloggers, gay, straight, guys, girls, whatever slice of the beautiful rainbow of ethnic diversity you occupy... Peace and Love to you. Miri

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  41.   kristent says:
    Posted: 13 Jul 09

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/time/origtime.htm This seems like a nifty little site to help clarify things. It looks at the approximate starting date of each of the worlds current 12 major religions. It only looks at the current top 12, so there are many religions that may have once been in favor that are not on here, and many younger religions that haven't made the top 12.

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  42.   yoyo99 says:
    Posted: 13 Jul 09

    Revisionism is a sign of progress...it's good to continually critically analyse our beliefs, philosophies and world views - in doing so we either come to a new 'enlightment' or have our beliefs reaffirmed. The intention in doing so is not to misguide away from 'the truth', but rather to promote understanding. I don't think there is such a notion as 'THE truth'...especially when it comes to religion and politics etc - what is true for me, may not be so for another. It may be the case that the validity of historical records whose dates correlate with those of the Bible is questionable...what I am suggesting is that set alongside the Bible, they are 'equally valid'. In the discussion about gay marriage, we should consider the Bible as having an important contribution to make but not take it as the definitive of what is right or wrong. Throughout history, homsexuality is accepted and even celebrated in many cultures and I see no reason to deny homosexuals their right to marry.

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  43.   Glock says:
    Posted: 12 Jul 09

    I don't think there are any (to my knowledge) historians who claim there was a religion that predates the Bible. In fact there were no Jews. I know today, there are many revisionists in the world who want to cloud not only this topic but many topics in an effort to confuse and misguide people away from the truth. I'm not just talking about religious revisionism but history and political thought as well. As far as the "Other sacred writings and records of history that have alternative versions of the origins of marriage which are equally valid." I would disagree. There may be other writings on this topic speaking of the origin of marriage, it doesn't necessarily make them vaild.

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  44.   homesteader says:
    Posted: 12 Jul 09

    the story of Adam & Eve being married from Conception of time by God / Along time later people wrote the Books telling the story of Life . Different peoples read books from their own language in their own Cultural Habitat . Alas whatever we all are / We are Human beings , given the right to learn from birth . Enjoy the day / We will Hehe , LOL

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  45.   yoyo99 says:
    Posted: 11 Jul 09

    The institution of marriage has it's genesis in the Bible...according to the Bible! There are many other sacred writings and records of history that have alternative versions of the origins of marriage which are equally valid - they all seem to refer to heterosexual marriages which is interesting...though the stories refer to marriage between siblings and even with the spirit world.

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  46.   homesteader says:
    Posted: 10 Jul 09

    it has been 100 degrees here for over two weeks / Hot Air if you Please . Thank you .

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  47.   homesteader says:
    Posted: 10 Jul 09

    your / correction

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  48.   homesteader says:
    Posted: 10 Jul 09

    The Truth the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth / kristent ; It is a Pleasure to read yuor words . Thank you , Enjoy .

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  49.   Glock says:
    Posted: 10 Jul 09

    Not only that Miri, but even non-believers and atheists who get married are still participating in a custon (marriage) that has it's roots in religion. The Bible or Judeo-christian beliefs are where the institution of marriage has it's genesis. No pun intended.

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  50.   yoyo99 says:
    Posted: 10 Jul 09

    As far as I am aware God did not say that "the preaching of the cross is foolishness..." - I believe that was the apostle Paul and similarly the "forgive them Father" statement was said not by God but by Jesus...?

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