Is same-sex marriage and interracial marriage the same?

Posted by Ria, 25 Jul 08

In 1948, the court legalized interracial marriage in California and recently, California Chief Justice Ronald George asserted that the ruling is analogous to the May 15 ruling granting same-sex couples the right to marry. He also predicted that same-sex marriage will be more swiftly accepted by the public than racial equality.

Ok! Does this insinuate that Californians regard same-sex marriage to be a more important thing to act quickly upon than racism?

I have nothing against same sex marriage. One can marry whoever they want. However going by the facts at hand, interracial marriage laws in 1948 were a departure from historical marriage, since the ban of interracial marriage had nothing to do with the institution of marriage but everything to do with societal prejudice. The issue was It was also quite clear that a key issue in Perez had to do with lawmakers not wanting the mixing of races to produce interracial children.

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On the other hand the ruling to legalize same-sex marriage doesn’t quite compare with the 1948 decision because it redefines marriage; while marriage both before and after 1948 remained one man and one woman. But after 15th may, 2008, the institution of marriage honored the right of two people of the same sex to have their friendship or love affair licensed as a marriage.

Here is one argument I came across on Townhall.com against same-sex marriages:

'The key failure on the part of same-sex “marriage᾿ advocates is that they say it’s about love and equality, or they ask, “How does this hurt you?᾿ But they misunderstand that those defending marriage as the union of one man and one woman are not just concerned with themselves. They are concerned with the long-term benefit for children, families, and communities. The issue is bigger than a “personal relationship.᾿ Same-sex “marriage᾿ simply doesn’t make sense to those who have children’s best interest at heart.'

Don’t we have single parents who have managed to raise their children to be great responsible citizens?

The argument for same-sex marriage is this: Just as parts of American had immoral laws that forbade interracial unions, today, society carries on immoral laws forbidding men from marrying men and women from marrying women. And just as the decent people overthrew them then, they must overthrow the laws now.

Clearly this is an issue of sex vs. race. And those against same-sex marriage choose to see inherent differences between men and women, and no inherent differences between people of different races.

Anyway, question: Are arguments equating opposition to same-sex marriage with the old opposition to interracial marriage doing interracial marriage some king of ‘moral’ injustice?

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  1.   Wonka says:
    Posted: 06 Mar 10

    OF COURSE NOT!!,what a STUPID question!!.It's not even close!!.

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  2.   dolly48 says:
    Posted: 22 Jul 09

    ok, i wasnt gonna weigh in on this, but here goes: Personally I dont like agree with those who say homosexal marriage is the same as IR marriage. They have nothing in common. Personally I think anyone should have the right to marry who they wish; and if it is "wrong" let God decide and let Him handle it.

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  3.   homesteader says:
    Posted: 31 May 09

    And to tell the Facts ; Living in Texas , Californias vote is done of Our concern anyways . Alas still had some opinions to the many questions . Gotta put all three together in order to stay on topic .

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  4.   homesteader says:
    Posted: 31 May 09

    We were Woman and Man / who met at on this site and Married in three days after our first kiss . We have been together over two years now and who someone else may be with - We have no control over / why complain about something unless You have nothing to do but waste time . Vote come election day .

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  5.   homesteader says:
    Posted: 30 May 09

    Thank all for their opinions , these are other citizens . Leave them alone and they probably will not bother you . The freedom of choice is what this country was Built on . God does his judging in the ehd , Amen .

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  6.   xistential says:
    Posted: 30 May 09

    Your comment is awaiting moderation. The focus on morality should not and cannot be used as a political paperweight. I am tired of being beat over the head about this issue. Although I am a black woman, I cant stand it when the issue is intertwined with black struggle in this country. Race is immutable. A persons physical looks are the first thing people see. Ones sexual prefernce is not something anyone can judge by looking at them (usually). If I can be made to understand the correlation between black struggle and homosexuals (who represent all races) marriage rights, then maybe I will change my mind about my stance. Homosexuality is not new. And there are bigger problems to deal with other than debating this issue, particularly: education recession unemployment nulcear armns proliferation N. Korea I can go on. I care about people as people. I treat them with the respect I expect. But to close out, you cannot force this country (which is as progressive as can be on most other topics, but Victorian as HELL when it comes to discussing SEX, while at the same time the watchdogs sell SEX to the tweens (jonah bros., miley c.) and the rappers and R&B stars sexualize every damn song they make these days (usher) AND the Christian COnservative right have a DO LIKE I SAY MENTALITY and continue to cover up indiscretions of their Family Values bandleaders who frequently use prostitutes (hey Dave) and abuse prescription drugs (Hey Rush). PHEW! If you love someone, you love someone. There are just as many ALTERNATIVE lifestyle relationships out there as there are people. We all have less idiosyncrasies. Just be beautuful everybody. BTW I have a gay sister, although I do not agree with her choice in the person she is with, if her girlfriend was a guy, I'd still have the same opinion. If my sister and I disagree on anything, trust me I won't blame it on her homosexuality, I'd write it off as poor-desisionmaking.

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  7.   lala2qz says:
    Posted: 21 Nov 08

    oh yes, and I also dont believe anyone in either of those types of relationships should feel they are wrong or have any sort of shame for their choice.

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  8.   lala2qz says:
    Posted: 20 Nov 08

    I dont think its the same, but dont oppose same sex relationships nor do i think they should be discriminated or hated. is mixing a red bra with black panties the same as mixing a strap on with a cone bra? no, but just like dating preferences, how someone dresses for their bedroom affairs is their own business.. . okay that wasnt a good comparison. lol

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  9.   sexy says:
    Posted: 20 Nov 08

    besides any form of identity is just a social construct which can be deconstructed.

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  10.   sexy says:
    Posted: 20 Nov 08

    people who are in interracial relationships and have issues with gay relationships, i must say have such double standards. One would expect them to be more open minded and tolerant, since they themselves are going against the grain.

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  11.   bellara says:
    Posted: 01 Sep 08

    this question is just too ridiculous. hello???there's a thick fine line between the term same SEX and inter RACIAL. one is obviously about race (interracial dating is one of the fastest growing trend in the world)while the other has to do with 2 people of the same sex (man-man/woman-woman).the difference is clear so i dont who came up with such nonsensical question. homosexuality and heterosexuality are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS!!!

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  12. Posted: 25 Aug 08

    sbf200663, do you really believe that what some skinheads say is anywhere near as valid as what the Bible says? They are NOT equal in authority. History proves you wrong. And don't get on my case for judging; God is the judge. I'm only a referee. If you don't like what He said, take it up with the head office.

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  13.   psych_doc says:
    Posted: 05 Aug 08

    I think this argument basically boils down to the idea that we feel that we have to legislate love and relationships. The problem that people in 1948 had (and still have today...believe me I live in the South) with interracial relationships is still the same problem that people have with same-sex relationships. People have a hard time dealing with anything that is different from the norm that is placed on us by society. I think there is a big difference between interracial and same-sex relationships but the fact that we are still talking about their legalization proves that we still have a long ways towards healing our bigotry and predujice of the past. Let love decide, and if noone is being hurt in the process then celebrate the differences rather than cringe in our fear of something that is outside the norm of society.

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  14. Posted: 04 Aug 08

    Yes - Bravo, fkoi! This issue is solely about making bigoted, bullying behavior illegal. Using religion to justify bigotry defiles the religious belief and only soils the bearer of such hateful, un-Christian thoughts. This is how suicide bombers are indoctrinated. This is how Jews were exterminated in Nazi Germany. This is how one group of hateful people self-justifies morally wrong beliefs and actions. Look deep within yourselves, find the reasons for such hate and stop it! If you offer me a gift and I accept it, we both are happy. If you offer me a gift and I don't accept it, you still have the gift to keep and I have the pleasure of your offer. If you offer me an insult and I accept it, we both are unhappy. If you offer me an insult and I don't accept it, you still have the insult to keep and I have the self-esteem of not accepting your insult. It's a shame people who see beyond race in others are so sanctimoniously hateful in other areas and such bullies. It's called The Politics of Hate. Think of Sudan today and the millions who died in Pol Pot's intellectual slaughter; think of all the hate that goes into maintaining slavery; think of the hate you are filling your own lives with; think of how completely frivolous that hate is to you and how very important it is to those you are bullying; think of how literally, for God's, your religion's and your own sake, you must let go of this hate, stop bullying and think!

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  15.   sbf200663 says:
    Posted: 03 Aug 08

    Bravo fkoi! Although I was married for over 20 years to white man, I experienced blatant bigotry or racial hatred. I can probably count the times it actually occurred on both hands with a couple of fingers left over. During that time I met several interracial couples (black/white, black/Asian, white/Asian, and white/Latina) and I have also met numerous gay and lesbian couples. There is a certain bond that is formed because you know that because you are in a different type of relationship, it is an assumption that trouble is bound to happen. The obvious has already been stated with you are born into your race; it's not something you can escape. I disagree with the thought that it is nurture vs. nature when it comes to a persons sexuality, but this is not the forum for that discussion. Interracial and gay/lesbian marriages are looked at as not being a part of the norm? and there by they are considered to be immoral or wrong. However what gives us the right as a society to negate whom someone loves because it just isnt mainstream. Yes, I know what bible says about man lying with man being sinful. But some groups (Aryans/skinheads) also make the argument that the bible doesnt support race mixing either. So are we any better then them by judging the merits of a gay/lesbian union? As the bible says, let he who is without sin, cast the first stone?.

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  16.   mossimo36 says:
    Posted: 03 Aug 08

    I could really care less about same sex marriage. It does not bother me in the least. Noone can force me to agree with it on moral grounds though. We each have our own choices and decisions to make in life and while I may not agree with yours, I respect your right to your opinion.

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  17.   fkoi says:
    Posted: 02 Aug 08

    I once thought that on a site like this, the level of bigotry would be way less than in society at large. And maybe it is! That's a really scary thought. No matter if your bigotry is against Blacks and Whites marrying or just against Blacks or just against Whites or if it is against gays marrying or just against gays, it is still bigotry. Trying to justify if with science or religion doesn't make it less bigoted. And that is the similarity between these rulings which decriminalize marriage. If you've got hatred and anger in your heart for someone, you'd better check yourself.

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  18.   Unknown says:
    Posted: 31 Jul 08

    I'm with Jetman. It seems stupid to me to even bother writing an extensive response to this. Homosexuality has nothing to do with heterosexuality. Period. Race doesn't even have a place in this argument. Besides, can't two lesbians be of different races? Does that make interracial homosexuality it's own distinct class or something? How ridiculous! To whoever started this topic...I'm a little concerned about your thought process on this.

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  19.   Jetmen says:
    Posted: 30 Jul 08

    This seems to me like a very strange topic to highlight. What has homosexuality to do with the sexuality between a man and a woman?

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  20.   SoRandom says:
    Posted: 29 Jul 08

    This story really hit home for me. A close friend of mine recently had issues at her job. One of her supervisors first approached her saying that she was happy my friends same sex relationship was over THEN approached a black employee to say how much she disliked interracial relationships. She then went on to compare the two horrifying my friend and the other employee (whose brother is married to a white woman). There are certain people in society who find interracial and same sex relationships equally taboo.

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  21.   thick_lover says:
    Posted: 28 Jul 08

    I'm waiting to see the "scientific data thats out there" reviewed for public digestion by somebody who doesn't have an idealogical axe to grind.

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  22.   latrelle says:
    Posted: 28 Jul 08

    Y'know, it matters not what we humans think. The standard still stands whether we choose to believe it or not. Let's face it, if a certain percentage of society thinks the sky is green and not blue does not change the fact that it IS blue. God's Word still stands folks, and that's a fact. Irregardless of a myriad of opinions on the subject, He still defines marriage as a union betwen one man and one woman... between an Adam and an Eve- not an Adam and a Steve. Whether one chooses to believe in God or not, that, too, is an individual opinion which doesn't change the fact that He still stands before that individual's eyes, plain as day, whether that individual can see Him or not. It's like the air you breathe. You can't see it but you know it's there. You don't question it, you just simply breathe it in. So is God, the Invisible Spirit who, though you may not see Him, is here. As far as interracial marriage's acceptance in society goes, shouldn't the world be making an attempt to see God's point of view about it? The God who subjected marriage to one man + one woman. The God who never said it was between any CLASS or COLOR or CULTURE of man or woman. The God who cursed Miriam when she criticized her White brother Moses for marrying an African woman. The God of the Jews who went outside the cultural lines when it was not acceptable to do so, meeting a Samaritan woman at a well (Jews & Samaritans did not intermingle; it was forbidden back in those days). We as a nation can pen all types of so-called laws on paper that we want to but guess what? When it's all said and done, paper gets burnt in fire and God's Word is the fire in which it gets burnt. Ah well... y'all carry on with the debate now, y'hear. I'm at peace....

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  23.   vt33 says:
    Posted: 28 Jul 08

    Wow MIstereks, I hope you get a answer. I was under the impression from some folks, that if it wasn't in a reputable newspaper article, or the Discovery Channel, it couldn't be validated. I believe in the scientific data thats out there, on sexuality, and you believe it, but will SOME provide proof against it, I don't know, you might be waiting a while for that one. (check the blog on interracial adoptions it might blow your mind on how people think? Ciao!

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  24.   Mistereks says:
    Posted: 27 Jul 08

    Hey thick_lover - can you point us to ANY scientific evidence that shows sexuality is a choice? Because I can point you to plenty that indicates it is biologically-based.

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  25.   thick_lover says:
    Posted: 27 Jul 08

    And here I was worried that my post was incoherent.

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  26.   vt33 says:
    Posted: 27 Jul 08

    Let's cut to the chase here. I don't really think this is hard to decipher. Lets slice and dice this baby, first and formost, Gays and interracial marriage, same or not he same, not the same in a physical sense, but the same in a mental sense. Lets be clear here, I don't think it's the union, between a black man and a white woman, nah..been happening far to long. Yet I do think this article is more based on the black woman and white man union, come on now, those men blogging(the ones not experitmenting), know at some point, someone came up to you and said somthing on the hush hush, about the lady you have chosen. The sterotype questions, is she really this, or does she act like a banshee yadda yadda! Same sex Marriage, is it wrong, is it right, god will punish, Sodhom and Gohmorrah. Isn't that the same thing people think and say, when they see a black and white couple? It's wrong, she or he is stuiped, the black person is only using he or she. How dare he pick that "nasty black thing", or "how could she turn her back on her race, "he's only gonna cheat on her and leave her with the kids" they are gonna be punished, it's not right. Typical sterotype comments in our hey day. I NOTE all the negativity in the two. I think people need to stop over analyzing the Bible, and get on with life and try to , love thy neighboor, and do just that. If God deems homosexual behavior bad, then when folks transcend, let GOD do his JOB and be JUDGE, JUROR and PROSECUTOR . If GOD thinks, same sex marriage is wrong, then again, let him be JUDGE, JUROR, and PROSECUTOR after all isn't that his job anyway! People we are living in a time where people commit sin, some of the most horrible sins, and you don't judge or critque as harshly as these two subjects. It just really goes to show, how open minded people really are and what is valued and what is not. Yet I will say this, those of you who are pretending to be GOD and say, well the BIBLE says this or that. Look at it from this angle, look how many times the Klan has used the "good book" and got away with murder and referencing their lives and how God wants "WHITE PEOPLE" to live,(now that is a bunch of crapolla) yet no one, I mean no one has stood up and persecuted that group and brought GOD in to say it's wrong to do that. When someone finds that passages in the bible, that condoes this, please tell me what book it's in so I can read it and JUDGE, JUROR AND PROSECUTE myself please. Folks, stop trying to be GOD and say what is right or wrong with the world. Truth is, God isn't in the physical sense, so we can't take a number and go up and say GOD this is wrong can you fix it. Yet any of you who feel that you are GOD and you have the right to JUDGE, hit me up on a email. I have a few things wrong with the world I need you to make right. Folks, stop trying to DEVALUE life and learn to VALUE life, it is a gift, you don't want to wreck. I'm out! NO JIBBERISH REPLY! Just a white cloud passing thru a gray sky!

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  27.   thick_lover says:
    Posted: 27 Jul 08

    There's no scientific consensus, my friend. Kinda the same as the consensus" on global warming -- those who dissent are treated like a tiny, ignorant minority, even if they are scientists of stature.

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  28.   Mistereks says:
    Posted: 27 Jul 08

    Greetings all - First, same-sex marriage and interracial marriage are not the same thing, and they ARE the same thing. Both are marriage. Here's the difference -- skin color is genetically determined. End of story. Does that mean sexuality is NOT genetically determined -- no. Sexuality is more like left-handedness: a minority of people are left-handed. Just like homosexuality, no one knows EXACTLY what causes it, but scientific consensus seems to be it's partly genetic (but not entirely, as identical twins--who share identical DNA--can have different sexuality and handedness) and partly hormone levels in utero. A black person can't wake up and have a different skin color. But a left-handed person can wake up and decide to use their right hand to write or brush their teeth that day. It takes a huge amount of attention and willpower. Plus, it won't feel natural. And the person won't be as effective in performing ordinary tasks. People used to think being left-handed was "of the devil." As recently as the early 20th century, some children had their left hands tied to force them to use their right hands. Bottom line, you can't change your race, and even though you can change your behavior, you can't change your handedness or sexuality.

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  29.   ivoryknight says:
    Posted: 27 Jul 08

    Well Ria, stirring the pot again i see. best thing i got out of this is a look at Escapade she's as bright ,radiant and beautiful as any bulb on broadway whether she thinks it or not. on with the controversy !!!!

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  30.   Lars4fun says:
    Posted: 26 Jul 08

    Reasons against marrying "outside the norms" are religious, legal/political and social/interpersonal. Together they combine to create the culture in which we live. These things can and do change over time. Look how our laws have changed. Consider how religious teachings have changed. And social restrictions and cultural attitudes. And as one looks at change, it is difficult to say what drove the change -- which is chicken and which is egg. I am saying we are not dealing with hard facts here. What was shocking 150 years ago was not so 75 years later. What was shocking 30 years ago, is not so today. Did this loss of shock value cause the legal/political/religious/social world to change? Or did those changes lead to the reduction in the "shock value". Insert what you want in the above. Gays in public . Inter-racial marriage. long hair on men. tattoos on women. Institutional segregation. Sufferage for women. Wearing any clothing that is NOT black. Exposing a bare ankle! Casual disposal of toxic wastes. Some will call this progress and some will call the changes sin. So society is in flux. Two common restrictions to this are religious law and secular law. Here's my thoughts. St Francis made a clear distinction between laws of God and laws of man. And that following the laws of man would not lead to the kingdom of heaven. But likewise, he did not think the laws of God could be imposed universally on all mankind. So if this restriction is a "law of God", then the believers will follow. The non-believers? They have the laws of man. One would expect the laws of man to be more lenient than the laws of God. The laws of God are to lead one to salvation. The laws of man are simply to maintain some basic level of social order. The laws of man pertaining to this are evolving -- hence this discussion. And there is considerable debate and harangue on the subject with implications ranging from states' rights, divorce, taxation, benefits, child custody, etc., and how they can or will affect the social order. To me these are details... Minutia. To me the legal/political basis is simple. We believe all people are guaranteed "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." Being able to marry whomever one chooses is simply an effort to make oneself happy. I would imagine most of us on this site have, at one time or another, experienced someone trying to interfere with our "pursuit of happiness". Or might there be a difference between one's own happiness and the happiness of others? The differentiation as to whether "gayness" is a (un)conscious choice or genetic reality makes no difference to me. I just dont care. If it makes you happy and it does not hurt others -- go for it. Enough for my "opinions", what of Ria's question? I agree with the judge's comment that gay marriage will be accepted more quickly than inter-racial marriage. The biggest factor here is that everyone already knows gay couples or, at the very least, knows OF gay couples. In 1948, how many people actually KNEW an inter-racial couple? How many had ever SEEN a romantically involved inter-racial couple? When the California decision came down, gays had been out of the closet for decades. When the Loving decision came down in 1948, it was because they were forced out of the closet. Seeing two men in a passionate kiss on a public street in 2008 is less shocking to the status quo than a mixed race couple doing the same in 1948 would have been. In short, less shock value will result in faster acceptance.

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  31.   yanx says:
    Posted: 26 Jul 08

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  32.   flamesword says:
    Posted: 26 Jul 08

    Ok, i usually don't get involved on topics like this but since this is such a hot topic i felt that i would put my 2 cents in. First and foremost the reason that interracial marriage and same sex marriage are not on the same level is all about who really is the author of marriage. The first thing that i would like to say about this is that one who is born black or white ...etc cannot change the fact that they were born that way. No one is born "gay" or should we say practicing homosexuality. I know that people are going to say "but what about scientific evidence"? Well that is another problem for another topic. There is no scientific evidence that someone is born "gay" And neither will there ever be any legitimate evidence. That is because no one is born "gay." Now back to who really authorizes marriage. Obviously that is God. But there are reasons and there are evidence that God has sanctified marriage between a man and a woman. The first evidence is really obvious. Uhum.... you can't put a square peg in a round hole. The next thing is something that most people don't understand. Marriage is not a piece of paper and it is not about commitment. "What did you say not about commitment?" Yes i did say that. Think about it... people are still married even though there is infidelity in a marriage, you are still married. So where is the real connection? Well what really makes someone married is covenant. It is a covenant that is between man, woman, and God. The evidence of that covenant is all about blood. All covenants that are sealed by God are done in blood. That may sound gross but i think that God done it that way to use something very intimate and personal. This now brings up the next issue. Are we all supposed to be having sex before marriage. Of course not. That is why when a man and a woman come together for the first time there is a blood covenant(im talking virgins) This is an evidence that there is a blood covenant between man, woman, and God. You cannot get that covenant between two men or between two women without some kind of perversion. Se we are all messed up today.... we think that marriage is a signed document and a "I do" but it is really when the blood covenant is done. It's just that we better honor our "I do" because it is an oath that God will hold us to. I think that one day when we all stand before Christ we all will be utterly shocked at what we thought marriage was and what it actually is. But He clearly lays it out. The next thing that i want to add to this is the condition of moral depravity and conscious watering. See ultimately we all know the basics of truth. For instance don't kill people, don't lie ...etc. But something happens when doing these things benefit us. If i lie to get out of a tight situation. Or if i kill when my religious beliefs tell me to do so. And there are many other instances and example that i could give. So where i am going with this is? We all knew 100 years ago that homosexuality was wrong. No many of us responded wrong to that with hate and violence but it doesn't matter it is still wrong. The Bible says that people suppress truth in unrighteousness. What that means is that if i want to do something then i will form my belief systems around what i want. In other words if i want to be "gay" then i will form my beliefs around me being "gay." I will hang out with the "gay" crowd, listen to everything that is telling me that it is ok to be "gay." Thats crazy thinking, thats like sitting in a burning house and someone coming and telling you that the house is burning and i get offended and tell them that i don't believe that the house is on fire. But reality is the HOUSE IS ON FIRE. That is why we need a standard to keep looking back at so we can keep coming out of deception.....I.E..... the Bible. Because no one is omitted from deception. Also it is not by popular vote. It doesn't matter how many people become "gay" it is still wrong. The whole world could become "gay" and it will still be wrong. Let every man be a lier but God is correct. My goal here was not to step on anyone's toes but to clear up a little about what marriage really is and why people do the things that they do. In other words why someone would believe that two people of the same sex could get married. I will leave you with this final thought. If my depravity is so much that when i look at what is right and think that it is odd.... then how much is my depravity?

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  33.   thick_lover says:
    Posted: 26 Jul 08

    Man, rereading my earlier post, I think my thoughts went faster than my fingers could type! :)

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  34.   hunkoheaven says:
    Posted: 26 Jul 08

    same-gender marriage on par with mixed race marriage? This is a joke, right? btw notice it's the liberal judges who are approving this secular-progressive BS, NOT the voters

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  35.   hunkoheaven says:
    Posted: 26 Jul 08

    interacial marriage on par with same gender marriage? What a bunch of left-wing crap!

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  36.   thick_lover says:
    Posted: 26 Jul 08

    Another juicy article on something I find occurs way too often in the media -- the (intentional?) confusion of comparing ethnicity to sexual choice. Let me add some more spice to this convo. Do it matter in a free society who you sleep with? No. Do it matter whom you marry? Ethnically, no. Sexually, well, that's another matter. Let me explain. Marriage is between three players: the two marrieds, and the State (bet you thought I'd say God, huh? sorry, no religious position here) The State represents John Q. Public... you, me, him, her, etc. Since we the public are divided on the issue, it is up to legislators to make the decision. Personally, I feel it is completely nondiscriminatory to be against same-sex (oh, let's just call it what it is) gay marriage, but that is my opinion. On ethnic grounds, sure, you are born as you are, it is visibly obvious. But debate has raged over homosexuality. Although the Left would have us believe that this issue is settled, it is only settled in that part of the population, that gayness is genetic and not a combo of experience & decision. We also have the religous part of the Right who is against on, well, religious grounds. Here, I stride the fence, but lean on the Right. But, so what if it is the latter, that it is by personal choice that some are gay -- don't they also deserve a say? Of course they do. Is it a right? Only if the State (us again) say it is, that is, John Q Public thru representatives. So, if we as a society condone it, wonderful, we pass laws (or get rid of laws) to make it happen. Those that don't want it, don't. And we have wonderful things called states & provinces in the West, where we can do this via jurisiction...don't like it? Move within your country where they think like you! So live & let live in those jurisdictions where there is true democratic choice! (and I mean that for both those for & against gay marriage). you don't have to be a religious dinosaur to be against it, nor do you have to be a chardonnay socialist to for it. If we can't see some merit in each other's arguments, then this becomes polarized like...the abortion debate.(argh) Just let's stop with the moral relativism on these separate (for many issues), as if we are trying to fool people..please! PS (thanks for interesting article, Ria -- hope you don't mind if we agree to disagree, but not be disagreable!)

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  37.   cutesaved1 says:
    Posted: 25 Jul 08

    This is the problem I have with the whole comparison of the race/ethnicity vs. sexual preference issue. Personally I don't care who you marry. That's between those two people and what ever deity they chose to worship. To compare, however, my Black skin (my race/ethnicity as well as the race/ethnicity of others), which I was born with, and sexual preference, which I still find no basis for one believing is NOT a conscious choice is completely unfathomable! Do I believe gay marriage should be legalized based on the fact that years ago interracial unions were illegal in the US? No. From a biblical standpoint, being the oldest reference that we know of pertaining to 'relationships', there were interracial marriages as well as references to homosexuality. The interracial unions may have endured hostility and ignorance, but those choosing to cause harm to the couples in the interracial unions were punished. We all know as well what happened in Sodom and Gomorrah.

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  38.   Escapade says:
    Posted: 25 Jul 08

    Ria, by the tone of your text I can see you have a lot of feelings caught up in the arguements of same sex marriage, interracial marriage, and past injustice. However, your last question was not clear to me. Can you restate. I am not the brightest bulb on broadway. Thank you.

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  39. Posted: 25 Jul 08

    hell no same sex is for queers interracial is for love

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